Converting Al-Qadim creatures

[Shade]

So what do we have left for this dull Non-Cleon Special version?

For starters, the bland working draft will need an unintersting update to its vanilla content.

 

[Cleon]

For starters, the bland working draft will need an unintersting update to its vanilla content.

That sounds appropriately unexciting.

Updating the Working Draft.

 

[Shade]

The Demoralizing appearance DC should be 12, correct?

Didn't we discuss languages (or lack thereof) upthread?

I can almost justify CR 1 for them, as they are highly maneuverable and difficult to hit. Speaking of that, Flyby Attack for the feat?

Hama are always solitary and always driven to accomplish some task, usually simple vengeance. There have been cases of hama who await the arrival of a beloved, the return of something that they have lost, or the proper disposal of an estate or inheritance; some simply watch over and protect children they could not bear to leave. The tasks that hold a spirit bird to the world are broad, but in most cases they are centered around a specific person or location.

Diplomacy, Intimidate, Knowledge (local), Listen, Perform (song), Search, Sense Motive, Spot?

 

[Cleon]

The Demoralizing appearance DC should be 12, correct?

Yes, and it needs a duration too.

Didn't we discuss languages (or lack thereof) upthread?

See following post.

I can almost justify CR 1 for them, as they are highly maneuverable and difficult to hit. Speaking of that, Flyby Attack for the feat?

I'm reluctant to increase it.

A Stirge has almost as good an AC, better initiative and a nasty Con damage special attack and it's CR ½.

Is Demoralizing Appearance really worth as much as Blood Drain?

Flyby Attack's fine. Shall I update it with that?

Diplomacy, Intimidate, Knowledge (local), Listen, Perform (song), Search, Sense Motive, Spot?

Not sure about Diplomacy, considering its language skills.

Bluff has a "Delivering a Secret Message" option to get a message across to another character without others understanding it. That'd fit the flavour.

Alternatively, I'd consider Knowledge (religion) or (the planes).

 

[Cleon]

Didn't we discuss languages (or lack thereof) upthread?

You mean...

Hama are unable to communicate with speech, but their songs and croakings sometimes offer clues to what they are seeking to accomplish before they pass on. A speak with animals spell is not effective in attempting to speak with a hama, though tongues is. A hama can understand all forms of speech.

Hama speak their own language, but can understand all languages. ???

That's odd.

I thought they'd understand the languages they knew in life, but I suppose if they have mystical polyglotism then their previous languages are irrelevant.

I don't think they should have a "Hama" language - they're not a species or a culture, after all.

How about...

Hama can not speak, but understand all languages. They can sing or squawk like the bird they resemble, which sometimes offer clues to their intentions or desires.

That's fine, although do you think we should mention speak with animals being a viable means of communication?

Erm, and I quote.

"A speak with animals spell is not effective in attempting to speak with a hama."

 

[freyar]

I think Bluff would be good for the last skill given the squawking or singing to get a message.

Definitely go with Flyby Attack. The ethereal shift is a much better defense than a stirge gets, but I do agree that they shouldn't be more than CR 1/2.

 

[Cleon]

I think Bluff would be good for the last skill given the squawking or singing to get a message.

Definitely go with Flyby Attack. The ethereal shift is a much better defense than a stirge gets, but I do agree that they shouldn't be more than CR 1/2.

OK, so shall I update it with the following:

4 ranks apiece in Bluff, Intimidate, Knowledge (local), Listen, Perform (song), Search, Sense Motive, Spot.

Flyby Attack feat.

Confirm CR 1/2.

I just realized the current draft has Int 9, which would give it 7 skills @ 4 ranks. We'd better increase it to Int 10-11.

 

[freyar]

Int 11 is ok. Or drop Search.

 

[Cleon]

Int 11 is ok. Or drop Search.

Hmm, you know I'd be almost as happy dropping Search as raising Int to 11.

Shall we wait to see which Shade prefers?

 

[Shade]

Hmm, you know I'd be almost as happy dropping Search as raising Int to 11.

Shall we wait to see which Shade prefers?

Drop Search.

And I still think they're too good for CR 1/2.