D&D 5E I don't like Dragonborn: Please stay away from D&D Next.

[ForeverSlayer]

I truly doubt that removing Dragonborn from the PhB would make the game more inclusive. If the entire goal of D&D Next is to be the "Big Tent" edition, wouldn't it make more sense to have as many different races as possible in the PhB rather than restricting it to the "classics" of 1e?

If you include Dragonborn, Tieflings, Eladrin and Gnomes in the first PhB you make it easy for people who want to play those races. If you exclude elements like these, you wind up excluding many players by proxy.

If the concern is "the core races will be expected" then I propose there are no core races, not even human. Zero. The race chapter is prefaced with the concept of optional races, all of which are purview to the campaign being played. That way you can include everything from Aasimar to Warforged and they don't require any more "house rules" than saying nothing but humans.

You can have the "Big Tent" without the bloat.

 

[Melkor]

As someone who's 4th Edition experience consisted of one campaign with a Dragonborn character, and one campaign with a Tiefling, and actually liked both characters, I voted "no."

I would prefer the AD&D "classic" races and classes in the corebook, and the rest included as rules modules. Other people in this thread have articulated reasons why better than I could. Just my opinion.

 

[grimslade]

I think you need to watch who you are calling a troll because you are doing the exact thing you are blaming me for.

Calling people trolls is not an argument to a thread.

Why did you think it was okay for you to come into this thread and then announce that I was trolling? Why didn't you just report me if I was trolling?

I will be editing my comment for clarity. I did not intend to call you a troll. I thought it ironic that you used Dragonlance in a call to limit races to Tolkien. I apologize for any offense caused.

 

[renau1g]

Wait...Do Dragonborn turn to stone when killed, or explode?

Nope, turn to acid

 

[renau1g]

You can have the "Big Tent" without the bloat.

Dragonborn don't equal bloat. They equal a race you don't want to see.

 

[ForeverSlayer]

Dragonborn don't equal bloat. They equal a race you don't want to see.

It is a part of racial bloat.

"In order to please everyone we just thrown all the races that everyone wants to play into the core book to make everyone happy."

 

[Ahnehnois]

I always liked having draconic influences in the game. I liked the 3e Dragonborn. The 4e implementation and presentation (front and center in the race chapter of the PHB I) was not a good idea. However, having some version of them in the monster manual or otherwise not on page 1 is a good idea.

 

[renau1g]

It is a part of racial bloat.

"In order to please everyone we just thrown all the races that everyone wants to play into the core book to make everyone happy."

meh, I don't like halflings or gnomes or elves or half-elves, should Wotc remove them because I don't like them? I don't think so, no reason to penalize everyone else for my preferences. I'm not going to change your mind, you obviously have a very strong dislike for dragonborn, so c'est la vie.

Hell, I don't even like dragonborn....

 

[Sunseeker]

It is a part of racial bloat.

"In order to please everyone we just thrown all the races that everyone wants to play into the core book to make everyone happy."

No, it's part of something you don't like. By your definition everything other than "Human" would be bloat. And if your definition is so vague that it can include everything, it is a worthless defintion.

And that isn't what Wizards said. They said they seek to include all PHB1 races, just as they want to include all PHB1 races.
Which gives us:
Human
Dwarf
Elf
Eladrin
Half Elf
Half Orc
Halfling
Gnome
Dragonborn
Tiefling

We've got the "core 4", a couple half-breeds, one racial variant, two short races, and two "exotic" races. Really that's not anything close to bloat, that's a fair bit of diversity.

 

[AngryMojo]

You can have the "Big Tent" without the bloat.

But referring to Dragonborn as "bloat" is an exceptionally biased view. If the argument states that bloat needs to be removed then the argument becomes where to draw the line between an element adding to the game more than it takes away. Your opinion is that Dragonborn are bloat, I'd imagine that many people would state otherwise. There's also a point of view out there, no doubt that states anything other than humans, elves and dwarves is bloat, does that mean halflings should get the axe as well? Personally, I don't think there needs to be much more than fifty or so monsters in the core game, so would a 300+ creature Monster Manual be considered bloat?

If bloat is defined as anything outside the core that is unnecessary, then D&D Next looks like it will be absolutely chock full of bloat. If the argument of whether or not the presence of dragonborn is worth the book space and game space it takes up, I'll refer you to the poll on this thread.