Which groups of fans are worth going after?

[Guest 85555]

I think they need pathfinder/3.5 fans and 4E fans. Bringing in old school fans is also important to get the hobby back a healthy state imo (especially since they will not convert many pf and 4e players).

 

[Steely_Dan]

I think they need pathfinder/3.5 fans and 4E fans. Bringing in old school fans is also important to get the hobby back a healthy state imo (especially since they will not convert many pf and 4e players).

I see some, hey, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Ed...whoa, what happened, something went south.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

Would you please stop with your anti pre-4th Ed crusade...for all of us, it's not fun, it's not cool, it is passive-aggressive and boring.

Go shoot something, maybe that will take your mind off it.

One could say the same about the "4E failed, so 5E must ignore 4E to succeed" crusade.

 

[ForeverSlayer]

One could say the same about the "4E failed, so 5E must ignore 4E to succeed" crusade.

You're the one who stated in order for D&D Next to succeed it "needs" the support of the 4th edition group.

Now if I need to I will post that quote.

Mr Black meet Mr Kettle.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

One could say the same about the "4E failed, so 5E must ignore 4E to succeed" crusade.

You're the one who stated in order for D&D Next to succeed it "needs" the support of the 4th edition group.

Now if I need to I will post that quote.

Mr Black meet Mr Kettle.

I don't see the correlation. My stance is that 5E should also cater to 4E tastes, which need not preclude appealing to other tastes. The crusade I was criticizing states that a group of D&D fans should be excluded from 5E. One is excluding a group of D&D players from 5E and the other is not.

That is, of course, unless the inclusion of any 4E elements with modular options to swap them in or out or 5E being able to appeal to 4E fans in addition to fans of earlier editions ruins the game for you, but I'd say that's more a problem with you as opposed to a system problem.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Really, the goal is clear:

Don´t leave anyone behind who does not want to be left behind. Wether it is 4th edition or 3rd or anything before. And it would be a terible decision to change that course now. There are people however who are not either satisfied with whatever they are playing, or not open minded enough to try out something new, which could possibly be better than their current edition.

I believe Pathfinder and 3.5 were in many parts worse than 3.0 as they are better in different parts. 4e also did some things great.

And in the still current playtest rules, there are things from 2nd to 4th edition i recognize, as well as new ideas.

Like it or not. Maybe they will create a game that is different enough to justify an investment and still feeling right.
If I had the time i could take elements from ADnD and 3rd and 4th edition to create a game I would like more than any current edition. But I like someone doing it for me.

 

[ForeverSlayer]

I don't see the correlation. My stance is that 5E should also cater to 4E tastes, which need not preclude appealing to other tastes. The crusade I was criticizing states that a group of D&D fans should be excluded from 5E. One is excluding a group of D&D players from 5E and the other is not.

That is, of course, unless the inclusion of any 4E elements with modular options to swap them in or out or 5E being able to appeal to 4E fans in addition to fans of earlier editions ruins the game for you, but I'd say that's more a problem with you as opposed to a system problem.

I predict that if 5E ends up giving 4E a wide berth, 50-75% of the 4E community will reject it and as a result it will fail WotC's sales goals and 6E will arrive in 3-5 years, if D&D isn't shelved completely.

Either 5E needs to embrace 4E modularly and be able to support 4E-style play just as well as any other style, or they need to rethink 5E and release it as more than one system.

I believe the 4E community is large enough that 5E can't succeed without it, and it doesn't need to be a majority for that to be true. A 4E rejection would compound 5E not being adopted by others, as I don't expect much of the OSR to adopt 5E and due to the fervor of a lot of Pathfinder fans there are going to be significant holdouts there.

From another thread.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

From another thread.

Where have I said 5E shouldn't cater to fans of non-4E editions? Where have I said certain fanbases and playstyles of D&D should be excluded from 5E?

 

[ForeverSlayer]

Where have I said 5E shouldn't cater to fans of non-4E editions? Where have I said certain fanbases and playstyles of D&D should be excluded from 5E?

You have implied that the 4th edition fans are going to be the ones who decide the fate of 5th edition.

You need to keep those goalposts where they are because I'm getting a bit dizzy here.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

You have implied that the 4th edition fans are going to be the ones who decide the fate of 5th edition.

You need to keep those goalposts where they are because I'm getting a bit dizzy here.

No, I've said that 5E can't succeed without 4E fans. 5E needs to win over everybody. If they fail 4E fans, they fail, and if they fail to win over the AD&D or 3.5E/PF fans they fail. 4E proved a portion of the D&D community isn't enough, and as a result the non-4E portion won't be enough same as 4E alone wasn't enough.

The post I was responding to(and also a general sentiment on this and other forums) is that 5E should exclude 4E fans. I have done nothing of that sort.