Pathfinder 1E Evil humanoids and the seven deadly sins

[Kodam]

Beyond Humanoids

Hi!

Sloth: How about Illithids for sloth? They have lots of slaves that do any physical labor, even most of the fighting. And they (mostly) don't make expiriences of their own but rather just eat them. And they don't even talk to you, they just make their thoughts heard.

Gluttony: Trolls, Ogres; Pride: Elves (minor) Drow (major); Greed: Dwarves (min) Dragons (maj), Wrath: Orcs all the way!, Lust: Succubus; Envy: for me, this is the tough one. What race is mostly motivatet by envy? Doppelgangers perhaps? They even change form to be like the others...

Undead do have archetypes for all of them:

Lust: Vampire
Gluttony: Ghoul
Pride: Lich
Envy: Spectre (for the life of the living)
Wrath: Mohrg
Sloth: Zombi (so slow)
Greed: Ghost (stays here because it still needs to get something: an object, an action....)

Kodam

 

[James Jacobs]

Cool topic!

The seven deadly sins play a HUGE role not only in our adventure path Rise of the Runelords, but for our demons as well (demons in Pathfinder are the result of sinful mortal souls being absorbed and transformed by the Abyss).

Were I to map humanoid races to the seven deadly sins, I'd do it thusly:

Lust: Ogre
Gluttony: Gnoll
Pride: Hobgoblin
Envy: Goblin
Wrath: Bugbear
Sloth: Troglodyte
Greed: Kobold

 

[triqui]

Cool topic!

The seven deadly sins play a HUGE role not only in our adventure path Rise of the Runelords, but for our demons as well (demons in Pathfinder are the result of sinful mortal souls being absorbed and transformed by the Abyss).

Were I to map humanoid races to the seven deadly sins, I'd do it thusly:

Lust: Ogre
Gluttony: Gnoll
Pride: Hobgoblin
Envy: Goblin
Wrath: Bugbear
Sloth: Troglodyte
Greed: Kobold

I'm incredibly surprised about choosing ogres for Lust. Why so?

 

[Matthias]

My guess is the choice is based on the rampant incestuous practices the ogres are described as having.


To expand the field a little bit, consider what races might fit the transgressions in the laws of noah (noahide laws). IE

idolatry (worshipping false gods or mortals claiming to be gods) - there is a nation in Golarion run by a false god if I recall

murder - all evil humanoids kill innocents for one reason or another. The race of murderers would have to be specialists.

theft - Envy and greed are close enough

blasphemy (against all gods if you are talking about a polytheistic society)

eating living flesh (eating an animal while still alive, or is that cannibalism, or maybe it's eating a sentient being?) Something with mouth tentacles comes to mind...

sexual immorally (but lust already covers this)

the seventh one is about earthly authority or courts of law, i'm not sure how that one would work out. Ful tilt chaotic alignment?

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Sloth: How about Illithids for sloth? They have lots of slaves that do any physical labor, even most of the fighting. And they (mostly) don't make expiriences of their own but rather just eat them. And they don't even talk to you, they just make their thoughts heard.

I think this is pretty good thinking.

 

[frankthedm]

I'm incredibly surprised about choosing ogres for Lust. Why so?

Take a look at their bestiary fluff.

Ogre

http://youtu.be/hK1FaXcqUgc?t=40s

 

[triqui]

Take a look at their bestiary fluff.

Ogre

Eric Weissberg - Dueling Banjos (ORIGINAL STUDIO VERSION) - YouTube

I did, but it sounds to me more wrath than lust.

There's cannibalism (gluttony?), lazyness (sloth?), murder (wrath), and yes, rape and incest. But it sounds to me more as an extention of violence than anything more. The ogre patriarch rapes, for the same reason he tortures: because he can, and because he is cruel and loves to inflict pain and suffering.

 

[James Jacobs]

I'm incredibly surprised about choosing ogres for Lust. Why so?

Because in Pathfinder, we've associated ogres with being pretty rapacious. Wrath and gluttony also work well for them though, but of all the races I listed, they're the ones who embody lust the most. In all the bad violent ways. One of our earliest Pathfinder adventures, "The Hook Mountain Massacre," was also one where we were testing the limits and boundaries for what sorts of content we could get away with, now that we were no longer doing stuff for another company, and as it worked out... it was the lust stuff that folks remembered the most about them ogres.

But yeah... they could pretty easily be associated with wrath or gluttony. Or simply get replaced by orcs, which I notice I didn't include in the list.

That said... associating something with something that isn't the obvious choice is a pretty good way to breathe new life into an old monster.

 

[triqui]

That said... associating something with something that isn't the obvious choice is a pretty good way to breathe new life into an old monster.

That is an awesome answer, indeed.

And yes, Hook Mountain Massacre was cool as hell. That's my favourite AP

 

[ComradeGnull]

Fun idea. My two bits:
Pride: Hobgoblins. Racist, expansionist, militaristic. You can just see hobgoblins holding giant parades before marching off to slaughter anyone who has insulted them.

Envy: I like [MENTION=359]SteelDraco[/MENTION]'s idea of goblins here. They want treasure, but not to work hard, so they steal. They destroy beautiful things because they can't make them. They loot and steal and live in the ruins of whatever is left over. I can easily see goblins living on the fringes of demi-human society, stealing and vandalizing until their resentment boils over into an orgy of violence and arson.

Wraith: Orcs. Orcs are unrestrained fury and id. Their Chaotic Evil society is pure survival of the strongest, angriest, and most ruthless.

Sloth: Ogres. Ogres are lazy. They build nothing, grow nothing, and, whenever possible, do nothing. They can be motivated only by bribes and direct threats. They prefer to just live off of whatever falls into their lap, which is why despite their size and strength they never have anything of any quality or use.

Lust: This is definitely the hardest, given D&D's historic squeamishness about sex. I'm tempted to pick Gnolls, given the unique sexual dimorphism of hyenas and the role it plays in their real-world social organization. Not to mention that as demon worshipers, they are probably always on the look out for nubile young women to abduct.

Gluttony: Trolls. Always hungry, never growing fatter. Trolls eat anything and everything and need to be eating constantly. I can easily see a backstory for trolls where their progenitor was cursed to be eternally hungry for some sin, like the Hungry Ghosts in Indian/East Asian mythology.