JLA vs Avengers - who wins?

[delericho]

The result cannot be predicted unless we know who knows what. Broadly speaking, DC heroes are more powerful than Marvel ones (which is often a problem for DC, as it makes their characters difficult to relate to, but anyway). But, those powerful heroes have iconic weaknesses. So, do the Avengers know about Kryptonite?

Perhaps worth mentioning that in the current iteration of the films, Kryptonite appears not to exist.

Wolverine has been an Avenger. Now it gets interesting - as we have someone Superman can't beat to death! And we get to have the argument over whether Wolverine's claws can pierce Kryptonian skin!

Wolverine has the same problem as the Hulk: with no ranged attacks and no ability to fly, he's relatively easy to deal with - just box him up, move him into space, and watch him float away.

But, broadly speaking, your argument that it comes down to "who knows what" is probably the key - with ties favouring DC.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Most of DC's "demigods" have some pretty devastating weaknesses. Mon-El, the daxxamite, is every bit as powerful as Superman...but is allergic to lead. I think we can all agree that's more common than kryptonite. Many of them- some Marvel ones, too- also have a human form in which they're as vulnerable as you or I.

The thing is, as I've said, it depends on which incarnations of the chracters we're discussing and the overall tactical situation. I mean, if we went back to genesis, the original version of Supeman probably couldn't take the likes of the original Thor. OTOH, the cw's version of the Flash- who has been shot by a crossbow bolt and seemingly catches a haymaker on the chin every week because he doesn't think tactically- has already shown most of the character's most powerful abilities. He has vibrated through a wall and traveled through time. I'm things King that's damn fast.

AFAIK, only 2 characters from The Avengers- Thor and Iron Man- have ever achieved escape velocity on their own. Hulk almost did...but his oxygen needs made him pass out.

 

[Hand of Evil]

I think it comes down to prep. No prep, meeting in a bar fight, I lean toward JLA as it is use what you have on you and around you. If a fight date, Avengers, Tony can just armor up everyone, don't know if the Hulk would wear power armor but it would be cool to see it.

 

[delericho]

If a fight date, Avengers, Tony can just armor up everyone...

It's funny how often this comes up. And yet he hasn't done so by the time of the second Avengers film. Ever wonder if perhaps there's a reason why not?

 

[Hand of Evil]

It's funny how often this comes up. And yet he hasn't done so by the time of the second Avengers film. Ever wonder if perhaps there's a reason why not?

He said it himself, he has trust issues, plus he like being Iron Man to much to share, but you would think he could build in overrides.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Plus, not everyone would feel comfy in the armor. Not just the Hulk...Black Widow might not care for it. Though Thor might kit up a bit more himself, he might find the power armor not to his liking.

To be sure, as one of Mavel's 3 smartest human scientists- with Reed Richards and Doctor Victor Von Doom rounding out that triad- he sure could supply them with gizmos that would help out in some form.

 

[delericho]

Plus, not everyone would feel comfy in the armor. Not just the Hulk...Black Widow might not care for it. Though Thor might kit up a bit more himself, he might find the power armor not to his liking.

And Cap, and Hawkeye - both of whom rely heavily on mobility, and wouldn't be helped with being loaded down with armour and advanced tech they don't know how to use. And if Hulk does indeed change size as he gets angrier, an ever-more constricting set of armour would be a mixed blessing at best.

So that's a clean sweep, really.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Those same trust issues would probably prevent him from upgrading The Vision, at least post-Ultron...

Hey, speaking of The Vision, does anyone know if they're going to include Wonder Man in the cinematic universe?

Regardless, he would provide the Avengers with another heavy hitter who, while he can't fly under his own power, does not need to breathe and does have a little rocket belt...

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Other wildcards in the Marvel Universe that work in their favor- sometimes quite heavily- and could pop up:

1) the Ultimate Nullifier
2) the Cosmic Cube
3) Captain Universe
4) the Pheonix force
5) Soul Gems/The Infinity Gauntlet
6) Kang's Time Travel Platform

 

[Umbran]

He said it himself, he has trust issues, plus he like being Iron Man to much to share, but you would think he could build in overrides.

He does this in the comics for Spider Man at one point. And Stark builds in overrides, because he does have trust issues.. And, I'd have to go re-read, but if I recall correctly, Peter is not an idiot and hacks an override of the overrides...

We can hack together an answer that's actually pretty simple, based on the Spider Man example, and the problems James Rhodes had when wearing the armor - armor has to be made explicitly for an individual (the control systems cause issues for the wearer long-term otherwise), and while armor is an improvement for a basic human, it isn't necessarily so for a superhuman. Armor wont make the Hulk stronger, or Captain America fight better, or Spider Man more agile - those abilities are already beyond what his armor can do. In general, for superhumans it is not easy to make the armor not get in the way of what the character can already do.