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[Dannyalcatraz]

I've yet to even hear of a States Rights organisation that is anything like as devoted to the cause as the ACLU are (remember the ACLU will defend the rights of Nazis).

I have always respected the ACLU attorneys who wind up defending the indefensible. The ones representing Nazis & Klansman are almost invariably members of some minority. Likewise, you'll see women representing the misogynists.

Yeah, sure it is a poke in the eye & a refutation of the rhetoric of their clients, but it still is a very difficult and stressful task to work closely with those you abhor- and whom you know find you abhorrent- in order to stand up for a principle of law. No matter how much you'd want to mail it in, you know you have to give them your best efforts because of the other people who will follow, depending on the decision reached in your case.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

Not at all. Ketamine has a reputation as an abuse drug, but it is on the World Health Organization's list of Essential Medicines (meds that should be available in any health system), and it is frequently used in veterinary medicine for balanced anesthesia and analgesia.

 

[Hussar]

On that one I can give an answer. Controlling education help Québécois preserve their culture. It let us control the language in which class was given. That certainly helps prevent assimilation.

It also means we know the correct history of this land. It was discoverd by Jacques Cartier in 1534, not by John Cabot. Did you know John Cabot isn't even his real name and that he was a drunk?

I don't know what part of Canada you went to school in, but, in Ontario history classes, Jacques Cartier is taught, not John Cabot. Then again, it's not like controlling education in Quebec has been without its share of ... creative history exercises.

I'd have zero problem with you folks controlling your education if you'd just stop trying to break up the country every decade or so and costing the rest of us millions of dollars just so Montreal can vote to keep with the rest of Canada.

Heck, we even had public service messages about Cartier:



[video=youtube;AYi3O0ywY6k]https://youtu.be/AYi3O0ywY6k[/video]

 

[Kramodlog]

I don't know what part of Canada you went to school in, but, in Ontario history classes, Jacques Cartier is taught, not John Cabot.

There is a public service announcement about Cabot.
[video=youtube;Jciev8iRFow]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jciev8iRFow[/video]

Then again, it's not like controlling education in Quebec has been without its share of ... creative history exercises.

Like how it is hidden that the Brits actually came with candy and rainbows?

I'd have zero problem with you folks controlling your education if you'd just stop trying to break up the country every decade or so and costing the rest of us millions of dollars just so Montreal can vote to keep with the rest of Canada.

It isn't about breaking a country. It is about creating a country so that a nation who is oppressed can finally be free to decide its faith. Canada will still exist afterwards.

Heck, we even had public service messages about Cartier:

Not much is said about Cartier date and location. For Cabot they gave a place which we actually do not know he went there (Newfoundland) and a date (1497). Ottawa's bias is obvious.

 

[Ryujin]

I don't know what part of Canada you went to school in, but, in Ontario history classes, Jacques Cartier is taught, not John Cabot. Then again, it's not like controlling education in Quebec has been without its share of ... creative history exercises.

I'd have zero problem with you folks controlling your education if you'd just stop trying to break up the country every decade or so and costing the rest of us millions of dollars just so Montreal can vote to keep with the rest of Canada.

Heck, we even had public service messages about Cartier:



[video=youtube;AYi3O0ywY6k]https://youtu.be/AYi3O0ywY6k[/video]

A little hiccough, every decade of so, is great for Quebec's government based funding.

 

[Umbran]

It is about creating a country so that a nation who is oppressed can finally be free to decide its faith.

Be careful what you wish for. Should Quebec gain sovereignty, the people will thenceforth have nobody to blame but themselves.

 

[Kramodlog]

Be careful what you wish for. Should Quebec gain sovereignty, the people will thenceforth have nobody to blame but themselves.

Exactly. Be responsable of the good and the bad. But at least it will be our good and our bad, not the one imposed by a foreign nation.

 

[Umbran]

Exactly. Be responsable of the good and the bad. But at least it will be our good and our bad, not the one imposed by a foreign nation.

Be really, really careful of how you say that. Quebec itself is not monolithic, culturally. To my understanding, the sovereignty movement does not have a good solution for the Native Americans within Quebec. Failure to address that, and to make very clear how the Anglophone minority in Quebec will not itself become as oppressed as the Francophone Quebecois are now, makes that argument of principle weak.

 

[Ryujin]

Be really, really careful of how you say that. Quebec itself is not monolithic, culturally. To my understanding, the sovereignty movement does not have a good solution for the Native Americans within Quebec. Failure to address that, and to make very clear how the Anglophone minority in Quebec will not itself become as oppressed as the Francophone Quebecois are now, makes that argument of principle weak.

You raise a good point with respect to Native lands. They may not be so hot to leave Canada and much of the Native lands are areas in which Quebec currently has extensive hydro-electric plants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bay_and_Northern_Quebec_Agreement

With things like the Official Language Act I know Anglos, and people whose primary language is something other than English or French, who feel very much oppressed culturally. But hey, what do I know? I was born in the only officially bilingual Province in the country

"Foreign nation." SHEESH!

 

[Kramodlog]

Be really, really careful of how you say that. Quebec itself is not monolithic, culturally.

Which nation is?

To my understanding, the sovereignty movement does not have a good solution for the Native Americans within Quebec.

The solution is that if Aboriginals want to be Canadians they can. Québec will not stand between them and their desire to stay affiliated with the federation.

We had some success with negociating accords with Aboriginals. The Peace of the Brave is one such successful accord. The Cree leader who signed the treaty even recommended that Crees vote for the Parti Québécois, Québec's independentist party, after it was done. Not too shabby for would be oppressors.

There fact of the matter is, there isn't one solution for the issues that plague Aboriginal nations. Each have their problems and they need to be delt separately Success and failure will be met a long the way. The important things to keep in mind is communication and respect.

Failure to address that, and to make very clear how the Anglophone minority in Quebec will not itself become as oppressed as the Francophone Quebecois are now, makes that argument of principle weak.

Heh. The anglophne minority is better treated than the francophone minority is treated in Canada. All laws are translated to English systematically and they get translaters if needed at trials. Not something foudn systematically in Canada for francophones. Anglophones in Québec have institutions and budgets not found in say Manitoba or British-Colombia. Anglophone schools are well funded and they have their own school boards. They also have anglophone hospitals funded by every Québécois. Schools and hospitals are disappearing for francophones in the rest of Canada. You can live your entire life and not speak a word of French in Québec. They are fine. Worried, I'm sure, but fine. No concentration camps for them.