TerraDave
5ever, or until 2024
The way the thread is displaying for me it looks like TerraDave is thanking himself for the scoop! Hilarious
Ya, when I did that, I saw it differently. Including in the forum.
Computers these days.
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Ya, when I did that, I saw it differently. Including in the forum.
Computers these days.
TerraDave
5ever, or until 2024
Very disappointing for <=2ed conversions. I dont think the author has played a <=2Ed game for a long time.
I read it as mostly 'Take you best guess at this. It's different'. Oh and ignore most things less than +3/4.
Disappointing too in the few area of specifics. No exceptional strength bonus adaptation? Really? Always, the Fighters we've had with 18+ strength are defined by the extra damage that they do and to ignore that is doing a great injustice tho pre 3 editions.
Not a word about compensating for losing Thieving abilities? Also Really? What about thieves built around being the trap finders with Find/Remove & Open Lock or infiltrators built around Hide in Shadows and Move Quietly ?
How do adjust for specialty wizards?
A few suggestions for specifics on these and other obvious details would have been appreciated.
At least for pre-3. The subtleties of the +1 and +2's and other little things were important in 1ed and 2ed and to just ignore them shows a large indifference.
Sorry, Very weak. A token effort. I'm sure better ones will pop up, but lacking a detailed 'official' version is very disappointing especially considering how many 1/2ed people the 5th edition finally drew back in.
I read it as mostly 'Take you best guess at this. It's different'. Oh and ignore most things less than +3/4.
Disappointing too in the few area of specifics. No exceptional strength bonus adaptation? Really? Always, the Fighters we've had with 18+ strength are defined by the extra damage that they do and to ignore that is doing a great injustice tho pre 3 editions.
Not a word about compensating for losing Thieving abilities? Also Really? What about thieves built around being the trap finders with Find/Remove & Open Lock or infiltrators built around Hide in Shadows and Move Quietly ?
How do adjust for specialty wizards?
A few suggestions for specifics on these and other obvious details would have been appreciated.
At least for pre-3. The subtleties of the +1 and +2's and other little things were important in 1ed and 2ed and to just ignore them shows a large indifference.
Sorry, Very weak. A token effort. I'm sure better ones will pop up, but lacking a detailed 'official' version is very disappointing especially considering how many 1/2ed people the 5th edition finally drew back in.
AaronOfBarbaria
Adventurer
Yes, really. The purpose of exceptional strength was to give fighter-types what was essentially a class feature of "you do more damage with weapons." That is handled by things outside of the ability score itself in 5th edition, and thus is not at all necessary.
Another time where the 5th edition system covers what is lost in another way (proficiency, expertise, and the other skill-check related rogue class features) and thus doesn't actually need to "compensate" for anything.
You mean besides have them be a wizard of the appropriate arcane tradition, or a sorcerer or warlock if those classes fit better? What other "adjust" to you perceive as being needed?
As one of those many 1/2ed people, I have to say that I think you are overestimating how much detail is actually needed in conversion... but then, I also completely disagree that even as much detail as was in this brief document was needed, since I've been happily and easily converting anything/everything I felt like since picking up the DMG.
Remathilis
Legend
Well, the good thing is that rather than determining your bonus to damage based on an 18+ Str, they get class features this time.
Rogues get proficiency in all the major areas of Thieving; if you want a specialist put Expertise in Thieves Tools and Perception. Infiltrators get Stealth and Acrobatics.
Look under "Wizard Traditions". All 8 specialists are accounted for.
No edition got specifics; I'm as lost as to how to convert a 32nd level BECMI Elf to 5e now as I was then.
Most minor bonuses were replaced with proficiency or advantage. The goal is to get older stuff in 5e's mechanics, not port older D&D mechanics to 5e.
Shadow Demon
Explorer
There is no adjustment for classes and races that are actually in the 5e Player's Handbook. These are guidelines for character and race concepts that color outside those lines. So, no there isn't anything for exceptional strength or specialty wizards, you just use the appropriate class from 5e PH.
For the most part, this conversion document is mostly for late 2e through 4th. Just about everything from 0e/1e is in core 5e. This document is basically addenum to your understanding of what is already known from the 5e DMG. The quick conversion part with DMG is really all that is needed to use the older-edition adventures with 5e which is really the point of the document.
Stan Shinn
Explorer
Very confused by the language on determining what CR level a 1st edition modules maps to. Let's say you have the 1st Edition module "Slave Pits of the Undercity" (A1) which was for characters levels 4–7. Here's what the new WOTC Conversion document on p. 4 says:
"The first task is to select an adventure of the appropriate
level for your player characters. Characters of a level in the
middle of a suggested level range are likely to find the most
challenge with the least overt risk of excessively difficult
encounters. In any case, adventures along the lower and
middle parts of the level spectrum work better with quick
conversion."
Does the conversion document indicate this module is appropriate for level 4 or 5, and that level 6 or 7 characters would find the module too easy?
My general sense based on memory of various conversions I've done is that 5th edition maps to 1st edition something like this, where D&D 5th Ed. characters are about two levels higher than 1st Edition characters once you hit 4th level:
1st Ed. PC | 5th Edition PC
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1st Lvl | 1st Lvl
1st Lvl | 2st Lvl
2nd Lvl | 3rd Lvl
2nd Lvl | 4th Lvl
3rth Lvl | 5th Lvl
4rth Lvl | 6th Lvl
5th Lvl | 7st Lvl
6th Lvl | 8th Lvl
7th Lvl | 9th Lvl
8th Lvl | 10th Lvl
9th Lvl | 11th Lvl
10th Lvl | 12th Lvl
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
"The first task is to select an adventure of the appropriate
level for your player characters. Characters of a level in the
middle of a suggested level range are likely to find the most
challenge with the least overt risk of excessively difficult
encounters. In any case, adventures along the lower and
middle parts of the level spectrum work better with quick
conversion."
Does the conversion document indicate this module is appropriate for level 4 or 5, and that level 6 or 7 characters would find the module too easy?
My general sense based on memory of various conversions I've done is that 5th edition maps to 1st edition something like this, where D&D 5th Ed. characters are about two levels higher than 1st Edition characters once you hit 4th level:
1st Ed. PC | 5th Edition PC
--------------------------------
1st Lvl | 1st Lvl
1st Lvl | 2st Lvl
2nd Lvl | 3rd Lvl
2nd Lvl | 4th Lvl
3rth Lvl | 5th Lvl
4rth Lvl | 6th Lvl
5th Lvl | 7st Lvl
6th Lvl | 8th Lvl
7th Lvl | 9th Lvl
8th Lvl | 10th Lvl
9th Lvl | 11th Lvl
10th Lvl | 12th Lvl
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
TerraDave
5ever, or until 2024
10th level EK/10 level wizard (or 6/14)?
And if someone really did have (higher) exceptional strength, I would probably let them have the 19 or 20.
Jester David
Hero
Holy crap, it's NOT vaporware?!
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