Which items count towards number of permanent magic items

[Coredump]

I posted this on FB, but I don't have a lot of faith in that medium.

I am trying to determine precisely which items still count as a permanent magic item once they are no longer useful. When they get destroyed, or run out of uses, or can't be recharged, or.....

From what I can tell, the rulings have changed over the seasons, and I can't find anything definitive.... even regarding changes I 'know', I can't find any supporting info.

So...... any input? And any documentation?

 

[Coredump]

I will start.

"Consumables" like Keoghtmens ointment will no longer count when it is used up. But does anything else count as a 'consumable'? IIRC something recent from an Admin said consumables were potions and scrolls.....

 

[Warmaster Horus]

The Season 4 DM Reward item (Goggles of Night, Figurine of Wondrous Power) specifically note they do not count toward the character's magic item count.

 

[Anthraxus]

http://dndadventurersleague.org/sag...rmanent_magic_items_in_my_magic_item_count.3F
Adventurers League FAQ covers a lot of these kinds of questions.

Edit: Oh man, I finally found the citation for trading spells from spellbooks everybody asks about.

 

[Z. H. Darkstar]

I will start.

"Consumables" like Keoghtmens ointment will no longer count when it is used up. But does anything else count as a 'consumable'? IIRC something recent from an Admin said consumables were potions and scrolls.....

Any magic items with unrecoverable charges, like Necklace of Fireballs.

 

[Coredump]

Any magic items with unrecoverable charges, like Necklace of Fireballs.

Great, and I have heard that also. But....

Can you find it written anywhere?
How do we square that with an Admin saying that 'consumables = potions and scrolls'

 

[RulesJD]

What about a Magic Item like a Shield Guardian?

Not technically consumable, but still destroyable? Personally I say it should count towards the permanent number (I say this as a player with one).

 

[skerritthegreen]

Any item can be potentially destroyed, but if that happens it would still count against you.

 

[Z. H. Darkstar]

Great, and I have heard that also. But....

Can you find it written anywhere?
How do we square that with an Admin saying that 'consumables = potions and scrolls'

I actually made a post about it last November. Here's what Kalani's response was: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showth...counters-PDF&p=6747946&viewfull=1#post6747946

 

[RulesJD]

I actually made a post about it last November. Here's what Kalani's response was: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showth...counters-PDF&p=6747946&viewfull=1#post6747946

Good spot, and that's what I'd go with as well. *clap clap*