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Rogue One Review (Spoilers)

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
That's a nice list....
...But were any of their last names even mentioned in the movie?

Further more, was Krennick called Orson Krennick in the movie? I don't remember that at all.

Yes.

Weren't you the one who complained in your initial review that all the characters got name-dropped shortly after they were introduced? Can't have it both ways.

Yeah, guys, this isn't a campaign. We can state what we like or dislike without having to prove to each other that they're wrong to like or dislike something. Neither do we have to defend or likes or dislikes. Imaculata hated the movie; that's fine. I loved it; that's also fine.

I know I'm as guilty of it as the next guy. But I'm trying not to! :)
 

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Yeah, guys, this isn't a campaign. We can state what we like or dislike without having to prove to each other that they're wrong to like or dislike something. Neither do we have to defend or likes or dislikes. Imaculata hated the movie; that's fine. I loved it; that's also fine.

I know I'm as guilty of it as the next guy. But I'm trying not to! :)

And I think it is important to note that I did say there were things to like in the movie. I can understand why some people would like the movie. So this isn't some sort of battle. I'm just trying to understand why so many people seem so positive about a movie that I simply found very disappointing. Not just as a story, but also when it comes to basic film making.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
And I think it is important to note that I did say there were things to like in the movie. I can understand why some people would like the movie. So this isn't some sort of battle. I'm just trying to understand why so many people seem so positive about a movie that I simply found very disappointing. Not just as a story, but also when it comes to basic film making.

Art is subjective. It's different things to different people. Film making is an art form.


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Ryujin

Legend
I quite enjoyed it. As far as the CGI goes, I seem to be particularly sensitive to the movements of the rest of the face while a CGI character is speaking. For this reason the CGI characters were obvious to me but the animation was smooth enough that I could put it aside in favour of the story.

To my mind, after seeing this movie, the best droid character in the Star Wars universe was made by The Empire and the best Jedi is not actually a Jedi.
 



Eltab

Lord of the Hidden Layer
re: cameos
I haven't seen the movie yet.

Leia (young Leia) should make a brief visit at the end: she has the disk with plans at the beginning of Movie IV. Somebody gave it to her, sending it FedEx (pun completely intended) just won't get this job done.

Vader was more impressive when everybody else was scared of him, not when he clobbered all the enemies himself. (And when he 'knows the future' and ducks aside from the falling ice ceiling on Hoth.) He should be the threat behind Stormtrooper Leader saying "If you won't talk to me, you'll have a talk with him."

I don't see any pre-designed reason for R2-D2 or C-3PO to be in this movie. They are part of the equipment aboard Leia's diplomatic transport, which shouldn't be here until the very end (with Leia). In fact, there are very good reasons -he's a blabbermouth! - C-3PO should not be in this movie.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
re: cameos
I haven't seen the movie yet.

Leia (young Leia) should make a brief visit at the end: she has the disk with plans at the beginning of Movie IV. Somebody gave it to her, sending it FedEx (pun completely intended) just won't get this job done.

Vader was more impressive when everybody else was scared of him, not when he clobbered all the enemies himself. (And when he 'knows the future' and ducks aside from the falling ice ceiling on Hoth.) He should be the threat behind Stormtrooper Leader saying "If you won't talk to me, you'll have a talk with him."

I don't see any pre-designed reason for R2-D2 or C-3PO to be in this movie. They are part of the equipment aboard Leia's diplomatic transport, which shouldn't be here until the very end (with Leia). In fact, there are very good reasons -he's a blabbermouth! - C-3PO should not be in this movie.

You know this a spoiler thread, right?

Vader is more than a cameo, and they go "scary" with him.

Leia is exactly what you suggest.

Not having seen the movie, your premonitions are very accurate.
 

Argyle King

Legend
It's difficult to explain how I felt coming away from the movie. At various points, I wanted to like it, but I'm still not sure if I did. I'm conflicted in my opinion.

They're were a lot of individual parts that I thought were really cool. Some of the encounters would be interesting to play through in Edge of the Empire. I plan to use them as inspiration.

Somehow, even though I liked individual parts, those parts weren't woven together in a way that made it easy for me to enjoy the whole. The first 30 minutes were a bit of a mess. It was a sobering moment of self-reflection which made me realize that I need to be more organized and have a clearer message when I introduce my own stories. It motivated me to rethink how I do things both as a writer and as a GM for campaigns.

Also, even by cliche Storm Trooper standards, the Empire seemed too incompetent to be believable. "We have rifles, so let's move our whole squad into melee range of the guy hitting us with a stick." To be fair, my own military training might unfairly color my perception of that situation. I still think it was poorly choreographed though. In a weird way, it hurt the credibility of the Rebels as a movement.

I understand the idea of staying true to genre and franchise expectations, but -in my opinion- things were pushed a little too far. I feel that the borderline silliness of the Empire's incompetence undercut the serious moments of what could have otherwise been a heartfelt war story. Maybe the time restraints of a movie made certain story decisions unavoidable, but that could have been made better by making the first 30 minutes more coherent and structured to set up later parts of the story.

I don't want to come across as a hater. I do not regret seeing the movie. Like I said, I did enjoy many of the individual pieces and characters in a vacuum. All put together, I'd venture to say that it's one of the weaker films in the franchise, and I'm not sure if I feel the price of a movie ticket was well spent.

For me, the last scenes with Vader managed to be more engaging within 5-10 minutes than other characters and situations which were given over an hour.

For me, all of the hope and excitement that Force Awakens gave me when looking forward to more movies was brutally force choked into near oblivion by Rogue One. The combination of being let down by both the recent Battlefront game and Rogue One has critically wounded my enthusiasm for future products.
 

Ryujin

Legend
re: cameos
I haven't seen the movie yet.

Leia (young Leia) should make a brief visit at the end: she has the disk with plans at the beginning of Movie IV. Somebody gave it to her, sending it FedEx (pun completely intended) just won't get this job done.

Vader was more impressive when everybody else was scared of him, not when he clobbered all the enemies himself. (And when he 'knows the future' and ducks aside from the falling ice ceiling on Hoth.) He should be the threat behind Stormtrooper Leader saying "If you won't talk to me, you'll have a talk with him."

I don't see any pre-designed reason for R2-D2 or C-3PO to be in this movie. They are part of the equipment aboard Leia's diplomatic transport, which shouldn't be here until the very end (with Leia). In fact, there are very good reasons -he's a blabbermouth! - C-3PO should not be in this movie.

The very idea of Vader being scary, without ever having to demonstrate why people should be afraid of him, strikes me as rather absurd.
 

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