I wouldn't do that. The swordmage fulfils the Magic Knight trope just fine.
Yeh I have considered the possibility that sword mages might be in that wierd assed end of every skill which bleeds into extremes that outsiders call magic.
And the classic Celtic Bard was definitely Primal (as much as the Druid/Sorcerors were)
Warlocks seem to be just a variant of Divine ...ie extra planar sources you bend to your will.
The power sources I kind of like --> Personal - Environmental - Extradimensional
As long as we're talking about sources and changing sources, I was more than a little dissapointed by the Primal Spirits angle. I was expecting primal power to come from the Primordials, which, with the Dawn War, would have given the Druids &c a more 'Old Religion' kind of feel.
Yeah, you could spin it that way. The forces of nature are the primordial forces. They bring both creation and destruction, circle of life. So the 'old faith' is then basically just that, the worship of the cycle of life and death, and all the elemental forces that lie behind it.
That' weird. I always thought (and I still do) that the Elemental Power Source (the last one to be "introduced") should be about serving the Primordials. You know, to actually make them different from the Arcane Power.I thought this too. It would have created some interesting conflict between cleric’s and Druids. Maybe some of the primordials, the ones who weren’t locked up, calmed down after the dawn war settled and realized that having some followers and playing nice had its benefits.
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Nod, this was when PH2 wasn't out yet, so the Elemental source wasn't even on the horizon. I suppose I'd've considered that source about tapping the power of the elemental chaos, rather than serving/allying-with the primordials, directly in somewhat a cleric-like fashion.That' weird. I always thought (and I still do) that the Elemental Power Source (the last one to be "introduced") should be about serving the Primordials.
The original D&D Druid had a very healthy helping of elemental powers: multiple fire, earth, & weather-related spells, and even conjuring both fire & earth elementals as willing allies that didn't turn on them.Honestly, I really don't think the Primal power source should be about elemental powers. In my head, Druids are mostly about plants, animals, insects, terrain and weather, and even healing.
Nod, this was when PH2 wasn't out yet, so the Elemental source wasn't even on the horizon. I suppose I'd've considered that source about tapping the power of the elemental chaos, rather than serving/allying-with the primordials, directly in somewhat a cleric-like fashion.
The original D&D Druid had a very healthy helping of elemental powers: multiple fire, earth, & weather-related spells, and even conjuring both fire & earth elementals as willing allies that didn't turn on them.
Oh yeah, I know, it just wasn't on my radar - hadn't given it any thought at the time.Not quite that, fellow. In the first Player’s Handbook, as the book presents the concept of power sources. It’s a sidebar
Maybe they had trouble padding out ki? I'd think they'd've just plugged in all the 1e OA classes. Bushi, like fighter but better. Wu-Jen, like wizard, but better. Etc...It was when the Monk was shoehorned into Psionic that the plan was not followed.
I still think they should have followed their initial plan.
Weather is pretty directly elemental air, at worst para-elemental air/water. And summoning earth elementals and shaping stone with magic are pretty firmly elemental.First: weather and terrain effects are not directly elemental.
Oh, OK. The fire connection to the mythical/historical Druid is pretty tenuous - yes, druids messed about with fire quite a bit by Roman accounts, but not in the sense of magically conjuring it, AFAIK.I know Druids have elemental powers in most past editions. That’s why I said “In my head”. This is one of the cases I disagree with classic D&D.
Maybe they had trouble padding out ki? I'd think they'd've just plugged in all the 1e OA classes. Bushi, like fighter but better. Wu-Jen, like wizard, but better. Etc...
...so maybe not such a bad thing.
Weather is pretty directly elemental air, at worst para-elemental air/water. And summoning earth elementals and shaping stone with magic are pretty firmly elemental.