We saw a Star War! Last Jedi spoiler thread

[Flexor the Mighty!]

[MENTION=5143]Majoru Oakheart[/MENTION], nice heart-felt description of RotJ. While I feel that it is, overall, an inferior film to the first two, the sequence with Luke, the Emperor and Darth Vader is the very pinnacle of Star Wars to me. Best scenes in all of the movies.

When Luke and Vader start really going at it and Luke is starting to overpower him and the music is playing and the tension is rising and then he realizes he is a hair away from becoming his father all over again and he throws down his anger and rage and trusts in the Force...damn that is by miles and miles my favorite lightsaber fight, and probably moment in the entire franchise. So much emotion, so much build up.

But now I know it really didn't add up to much in the end.

Yeah I should probably approach the movies as their own thing, but I can't due to the emotional baggage and how they made it impossible by pretty much resetting everything to A Newer Hope. The entire "restore balance to the Force" thing lasted a couple decades. Apparently the Rebellion losing the first time would not have made a lot of difference.

 

[Morrus]

You'd think so. But JJ Abrams doesn't much care about physics:

https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/111528/is-takodana-in-the-hosnian-system

I take what we see on screen over what a related map says. So the map is wrong. They’re in the same system: we saw it in the film. No book changes what was right there on screen, and if it does, the book is wrong.

They need better quality control or oversight over their licensed products!

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Scale and physics have never been a strong point of Star Wars plots. Ship scale sure, but star systems and whatnot no.

 

[Morrus]

Scale and physics have never been a strong point of Star Wars plots. Ship scale sure, but star systems and whatnot no.

By that logic we can’t believe anything we see on screen in case the back of some licensed toy packet contradicts it.

I think we have to just believe what’s in the film. If we see Hosnia from outside Maz’s castle on screen, they’re in the same system. Licensed products which contradict what’s on screen are wrong.

 

[Majoru Oakheart]

I take what we see on screen over what a related map says. So the map is wrong. They’re in the same system: we saw it in the film. No book changes what was right there on screen, and if it does, the book is wrong.

They need better quality control or oversight over their licensed products!

Heh. I get what you're saying. But in the movie they actually say that everything in the Hosnian system is destroyed. But they didn't blow up. Also, they watch the destruction from the Resistance base on D'Qar as well, which is also not in the Hosnian system.

The novelization of the book makes it more clear that everything in the Hosnian system was destroyed and gives a line of dialogue to someone (Finn, I think) where they ask if it's that far away, how can they see it since it should take years for the light to reach them and they are told that the beam fired through Hyperspace, which is why it could reach the Hosnian system in so little time, even though Starkiller Base was across the galaxy. As a side effect, everyone could see the beam everywhere.

JJ just used artistic licence to show a close up of the Hosnian system being destroyed even though no one was there to give the audience a sense of the destruction.


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[Morrus]

Heh. I get what you're saying. But in the movie they actually say that everything in the Hosnian system is destroyed. But they didn't blow up. Also, they watch the destruction from the Resistance base on D'Qar as well, which is also not in the Hosnian system.

Did they? Oh, well in that case the base is that system too. They need to really revise a lot of third party licensed products!

 

[billd91]

Did they? Oh, well in that case the base is that system too. They need to really revise a lot of third party licensed products!

Or we need to take Harrison Ford's advice. "Relax, kid. It ain't that kind of movie."

 

[Morrus]

Or we need to take Harrison Ford's advice. "Relax, kid. It ain't that kind of movie."

The kind of movie where you see something clearly on screen and some licensed product contradicts it?

I mean, I’m making the official Judge Dredd RPG. If I mistakenly say his first name is Boris in it, does that override what was seen in the actual comics?

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to take the position that what we saw in the film is what happened. Otherwise things just get silly.

 

[billd91]

The kind of movie where you see something clearly on screen and some licensed product contradicts it?

I mean, I’m making the official Judge Dredd RPG. If I mistakenly say his first name is Boris in it, does that override what was seen in the actual comics?

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to take the position that what we saw in the film is what happened. Otherwise things just get silly.

It's also not unreasonable to realize that JJ Abrams has no functional concept of astronomical distances*. We learned that with Star Trek: Into Darkness. We can choose, instead, to appreciate the movie for its visuals and style without assuming that the ability to see things in the sky means something about how far away they really are.

 

[Morrus]

It's also not unreasonable to realize that JJ Abrams has no functional concept of astronomical distances*. We learned that with Star Trek: Into Darkness. We can choose, instead, to appreciate the movie for its visuals and style without assuming that the ability to see things in the sky means something about how far away they really are.

But that’s far less fun!