Questions about vampire 5th ed rules

[5ekyu]

So fortitude no longer helps soak aggravated damage?

Ok so first on this...

"I did not ask how the stream was being done, I was asking about the rules because at times it seemed Jason was getting them wrong? "

"And I do think he did Obfuscate wrong unless 5th ed changed it..."

just like at many tables, GMs are free to run rules and interactions during streams as they see fit without being "wrong". many of the more popular streams make rulings, use house rules and a wide variety of options that may not be strictly RAW.

That is why i mentioned the bit about questioning how the stream was being run - as that stream like most VtM games i have seen played worry a lot more about scene than hard core RAW adherence.

I would myself be extremely hesitant to describe someone else as doing "it wrong" unless i had the rules and some experience with them.

But, as for your ongoing series of questions - in 5th the various disciplines give choices, not locked in powers per dot - and so fortitude may help with damage or may not.

Additionally there are quite a bit of differences between disciplines under normal use vs humans and cases where they interact with vampires and their interaction with other powers - far too numerous to expose here in any adequate detail.

The difference in blood potency are handled differently in 5th but many of the same kind of effects and results are there - just by different mechanics - again too numerous to go into detail.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

just like at many tables, GMs are free to run rules and interactions during streams as they see fit without being "wrong". many of the more popular streams make rulings, use house rules and a wide variety of options that may not be strictly RAW.

That is why i mentioned the bit about questioning how the stream was being run - as that stream like most VtM games i have seen played worry a lot more about scene than hard core RAW adherence.

I would myself be extremely hesitant to describe someone else as doing "it wrong" unless i had the rules and some experience with them.

When a game is brand new, this is something I have a serious problem with. I want to see the rules run the way they are written to be run when it is a new game, or a new edition of a game, that I have never played before. I do not need to see a bunch of ad-libbing and freestyling of the rules, just to buy the core rules and find out that is not at all how they are written. Once the game is older and better known, then fine, houserule and ad-lib away because by then there will be enough info on the game out there to see if what you watched is actually how the rules are meant to work.

 

[OniDaimyo]

When a game is brand new, this is something I have a serious problem with. I want to see the rules run the way they are written to be run when it is a new game, or a new edition of a game, that I have never played before. I do not need to see a bunch of ad-libbing and freestyling of the rules, just to buy the core rules and find out that is not at all how they are written. Once the game is older and better known, then fine, houserule and ad-lib away because by then there will be enough info on the game out there to see if what you watched is actually how the rules are meant to work.

This guy gets it. I think Jason did things wrong. If he's house ruling it, it SHOULD be mentioned. Seriously, he got some things wrong and I think he has people roll rouse checks way too often for things that are actually free. For instance, the rats could NOT have found Jasper. Obfuscate does affect smell. Jasper could hide his scent, plus vampires don't sweat or have body oils so unless his clothes stink (Which they probably do) he wouldn't really have much scent? But Obfuscate still affects smell I think?

 

[5ekyu]

When a game is brand new, this is something I have a serious problem with. I want to see the rules run the way they are written to be run when it is a new game, or a new edition of a game, that I have never played before. I do not need to see a bunch of ad-libbing and freestyling of the rules, just to buy the core rules and find out that is not at all how they are written. Once the game is older and better known, then fine, houserule and ad-lib away because by then there will be enough info on the game out there to see if what you watched is actually how the rules are meant to work.

It's great you feel that way and when you start you own RAW VtM stream of RAW 5th, please post it here for us to follow. I am sure it will be both entertaining and informative.

But having a "serious problem" with how others choose to run their games is... well...

 

[5ekyu]

This guy gets it. I think Jason did things wrong. If he's house ruling it, it SHOULD be mentioned. Seriously, he got some things wrong and I think he has people roll rouse checks way too often for things that are actually free. For instance, the rats could NOT have found Jasper. Obfuscate does affect smell. Jasper could hide his scent, plus vampires don't sweat or have body oils so unless his clothes stink (Which they probably do) he wouldn't really have much scent? But Obfuscate still affects smell I think?

You seem to be making a **lot** of assumptions about a campaign, setting and ruleset you apparently dont have access to info on.

I wish you luck with that.

 

[OniDaimyo]

You seem to be making a **lot** of assumptions about a campaign, setting and ruleset you apparently dont have access to info on.

I wish you luck with that.

I know enough and you are wrong about not having info on it. What was that about assuming?

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

But having a "serious problem" with how others choose to run their games is... well...

I have a serious problem with any DM/Gamemaster/Referee/whatever not announcing in advance what from the RAW is being modified by houserules or ignored before a gaming session or campaign starts. That is a major violation of the social contract that person has with the gaming group and any audience there may or may not be.

I certainly hope you do not throw in changes to the RAW after a game has started and without warning anyone that you are going to do it.

 

[OniDaimyo]

Have to agree. If you are running a game in a video like that and then not announcing house rules...that's just a bad move especially when the game is just barely out AND you work for White Wolf? Jason isn't just some gamer. He works for White Wolf, any changes to rules as written should be announced. I like the story and the acting but there's still some things that seem like screwups or forgetting certain things. Annabelle didn't frenzy once with meeting Carver? No check? Nothing? Given how she gave into anger and first attacked him on sight? I'd of made her check and given a big warning.

 

[5ekyu]

I have a serious problem with any DM/Gamemaster/Referee/whatever not announcing in advance what from the RAW is being modified by houserules or ignored before a gaming session or campaign starts. That is a major violation of the social contract that person has with the gaming group and any audience there may or may not be.

I certainly hope you do not throw in changes to the RAW after a game has started and without warning anyone that you are going to do it.

Since I am not in that campaign, they did not need to announce it to me or include me in their session zero and table rules - so I wont be getting upset over it.

If they got up with you and told you this would be strict RAW, I can understand you being upset, what with you being apparently a player.

 

[5ekyu]

I know enough and you are wrong about not having info on it. What was that about assuming?

All I have to go on regarding your level of info is what you have said here which tends to show knowledge of previous editions and not a lot of info about the current edition. If you have had do much info on this edition why ask do many questions as if you didn't? Seems odd.

For me, without access to Jaspers character sheet and his character traits, I am in no position to make judgements on how he smells. Apparently, you do?

That's great.