D&D 5E Does Rope Trick Heal?

[Maxperson]

Have you ever walked before? And I don't mean "to the shops" I mean an adventurer's paced hike. Because that's where your argument falls apart. It's not "I walk 5 feet" it's "I set out for the nearby village a couple of miles away."

Yes. I often walked miles to where I wanted to go when I was in my 20's. I had no car and the public transportation system in Los Angeles was(and still is) bupkis, so often a walk of a few miles would get to where I was going faster than waiting for a bus that came once an hour.

The short rest qualifies make it useless for hit dice use if you do anything more strenuous than eating and drinking. I suppose some small 5 foot slow walks to pick up the food are okay, but anything more than that disqualifies the short rest. ANY climb is going to be far more strenuous than barely moving in order to eat and drink.

 

[Yunru]

Maybe you weren't paying attention, but it's MY definition that's being discussed here. [MENTION=20564]Blue[/MENTION] has been trying to tell me that MY definition applies to Catnap, when it clearly doesn't.

OKay then, it's number 2 for unfairly stating it.
Here, let me reword it to fit how you described Goodberry:

1. Longstrider DIRECTLY increases movement speed.

2. Catnap DIRECTLY directly heals when you spend hit dice.

3. Goodberries DIRECTLY heals when eaten.

 

[Maxperson]

Umm, yes. Which is a great example of a spell that INDIRECTLY heals. Because when I cast the spell, no one is healed. It's only an indirect action, eating the berries, which can be totally divorced from casting the spell, which heals. Heck, the caster could be dead, and someone who wasn't present at the time of casting gets healed. It's completely indirect.

That's like saying that a potion of healing doesn't directly heal, because it just sits around until you drink it.

 

[SkidAce]

/exits thread

 

[Yunru]

That's like saying that a potion of healing doesn't directly heal, because it just sits around until you drink it.

That's like saying that Catnap doesn't directly heal, because it just refreshes short rest abilities unless you spend hit dice.

 

[Maxperson]

OKay then, it's number 2 for unfairly stating it.
Here, let me reword it to fit how you described Goodberry:

1. Longstrider DIRECTLY increases movement speed.

2. Catnap DIRECTLY directly heals when you spend hit dice.

3. Goodberries DIRECTLY heals when eaten.

#2 is false. Catnap can never, ever directly heal. Requiring a completely separate resource to heal is not direct healing. Hit dice are not a part of the Catnap spell.

#3 Isn't the same as Catnap as unlike hit dice, the berries are a part of the Goodberry spell. The magic creates them and the berries provide direct healing as a part of the spell itself.

 

[FrogReaver]

I would be okay classifying goodberry as not a healing spell. Of course I’m not particularly opposed to calling it a healing spell either. It doesn’t directly heal but creates objects which directly heal.

This is why it’s interaction with the life cleric feature typically is ruled to add extra berries instead of increasing the amount healed of each berry or nothing at all.

That said I think i understand the distinction. They are using healing spell to denote a spell whose primary purpose of being cast or at least 1 primary purpose of casting the spell is healing. We are using healing spell in relation to what the spell directly does.

Most spells that heal meet both definitions. Goodberry is a good example of one that doesn’t. Rope trick is another.

 

[Maxperson]

/exits thread

If it makes a difference. I'm done answering these two. You can lead horses to water, but you can't make them directly drink.

 

[Maxperson]

I would be okay classifying goodberry as not a healing spell. Of course I’m not particularly opposed to calling it a healing spell either. It doesn’t directly heal but creates objects which directly heal.

This is why it’s interaction with the life cleric feature typically is ruled to add extra berries instead of increasing the amount healed of each berry or nothing at all.

That said I think i understand the distinction. They are using healing spell to denote a spell whose primary purpose of being cast or at least 1 primary purpose of casting the spell is healing. We are using healing spell in relation to what the spell directly does.

Most spells that heal meet both definitions. Goodberry is a good example of one that doesn’t. Rope trick is another.

I can see not classifying Goodberry as a healing spell, but I would do so as the berries are in my opinion a part of the spell, unlike hit dice and Catnap.

 

[Yunru]

#2 is false. Catnap can never, ever directly heal. Requiring a completely separate resource to heal is not direct healing. Hit dice are not a part of the Catnap spell.

#3 Isn't the same as Catnap as unlike hit dice, the berries are a part of the Goodberry spell. The magic creates them and the berries provide direct healing as a part of the spell itself.

Wrong. Catnap gives the benefit of taking a Short Rest, but you don't take a Short Rest. Which means that spending hit dice *is* part of the spell.

Or is the repeated attack of, say, Melf's Minute Meteors not part of the spell, since it requires a completely seperate resource (actions)?