Sage Advice Compendium Update 1/30/2019

[Ovinomancer]

Nobody is a bigger pedant than [MENTION=16814]Ovinomancer[/MENTION] !

I'm not even in this thread, pot.

/kettle

 

[Mistwell]

I'm not even in this thread, pot.

/kettle

I was just white knighting your honor as King Pedant.

 

[Ovinomancer]

I was just white knighting your honor as King Pedant.

Did I pee in your cereal, lately? I mean, if we often had banter, sure, yukyuk, but this is left field, especially since I'm wasn't even in the thread. Did I do something or is this just a misfired joke?

 

[Mistwell]

Did I pee in your cereal, lately? I mean, if we often had banter, sure, yukyuk, but this is left field, especially since I'm wasn't even in the thread. Did I do something or is this just a misfired joke?

Well it was definitely intended as a joke. As to a misfire? So it would seem, as I thought you'd find it funny.

 

[Sadras]

These pretzels are making me thirsty!

 

[Arial Black]

Moving Between Attacks
If you take an action that includes more than one weapon attack, you can break up your movement even further by moving between those attacks.

This also means for example that you can't dash between attacks (it's an action) or any other action you might want to do if you use an action surge or your PC is hasted.

???

What do you mean, "You can't Dash between attacks"? Even if you accept the totally unwritten 'rule' of not being able to interrupt action at the same time as ignoring the actually printed rule of being able to take bonus action whenever you like during your turn, 'Dash between attacks' is just nonsense!

Okay, it's my turn. My movement is 30 feet. I 'take the Dash action'. What happens to my mini on the grid? Where does it go?

Nothing happens. My mini goes nowhere. This is because the Dash action does not 'move my mini 30 feet'. What the Dash action does is increase my movement from 30 feet to 60 feet. Since I can break up my move however I like, I can take the Dash action first, not move anywhere! take the Attack action, execute my first attack, move a bit (using some of my now 60 feet), attack again, move some more, attack again, etc.

Even if you rule that actions cannot interrupt other actions, there is never a need to take the Dash action between attacks! You would just take the Dash action first, and then actually move whenever you like.

 

[Arial Black]

Stunned that no-one's called this out yet!

Is the intent that a bard gets to know the number rolled on an attack roll or ability check before using Cutting Words, or should they always guess?
You can wait to use Cutting Words after the roll, but you must commit to doing so before you know for sure whether the total of the roll or check is a success or a failure.

He totally fails to answer the question!

We want to know whether the bard can/should see the number rolled on the d20 so he can get a clue whether or not to use Cutting Words.

We still don't know.

How hard can it be? How hard can it be to answer the darn question?

 

[DEFCON 1]

At some point Jeremy just decided to tell people to go back and re-read the books as the answers tend to be right there if you just think about it for a second. How have you been playing Bardic Inspiration and Cutting Words these past four years? If no players have questioned you on your comprehension of the rule yet, my guess is you've been playing it correctly.

 

[Oofta]

???

What do you mean, "You can't Dash between attacks"? Even if you accept the totally unwritten 'rule' of not being able to interrupt action at the same time as ignoring the actually printed rule of being able to take bonus action whenever you like during your turn, 'Dash between attacks' is just nonsense!

Okay, it's my turn. My movement is 30 feet. I 'take the Dash action'. What happens to my mini on the grid? Where does it go?

Nothing happens. My mini goes nowhere. This is because the Dash action does not 'move my mini 30 feet'. What the Dash action does is increase my movement from 30 feet to 60 feet. Since I can break up my move however I like, I can take the Dash action first, not move anywhere! take the Attack action, execute my first attack, move a bit (using some of my now 60 feet), attack again, move some more, attack again, etc.

Even if you rule that actions cannot interrupt other actions, there is never a need to take the Dash action between attacks! You would just take the Dash action first, and then actually move whenever you like.

One of the "clarifications" by JC was that actions cannot be interrupted unless specifically stated. It's specifically stated that you can take your movement between the attacks of an attack action, but it's an exception to the general rule. Therefore you can't take any bonus actions (or bonus actions) while completing your attack action except move. The bonus action for shield master can only be taken after the attack action is completely done and over.

If you read the rules in a very technical way, if they have an exception anything that does not also have that exception is not allowed. It is a logical conclusion, just one I ignore. To me it goes against the whole spirit of 5E and dredges up the worst aspects of 3.x rules lawyering.

So like I said, I totally ignore it at my table. Saying "I'm attacking ___" is enough for me to say you've trigger the shove.

 

[5ekyu]

One of the "clarifications" by JC was that actions cannot be interrupted unless specifically stated. It's specifically stated that you can take your movement between the attacks of an attack action, but it's an exception to the general rule. Therefore you can't take any bonus actions (or bonus actions) while completing your attack action except move. The bonus action for shield master can only be taken after the attack action is completely done and over.

If you read the rules in a very technical way, if they have an exception anything that does not also have that exception is not allowed. It is a logical conclusion, just one I ignore. To me it goes against the whole spirit of 5E and dredges up the worst aspects of 3.x rules lawyering.

So like I said, I totally ignore it at my table. Saying "I'm attacking ___" is enough for me to say you've trigger the shove.

"When you take the Dash action, you gain extra movement for the current turn. "

"With this action, you make one melee or ranged attack. "

The difference is (what I think AB was bringing up) the attack action *is* make an attack. The Dash action is gain extra movement, not use extra movement.

So, my dash action is *done* in toto as soon as I "take it" and I now have the extra movement to use or not. The "action" is resolved. So the "indivisible action" does not apply.

For the "take attack action" with extra attacks the indivisible action applies (JEC) to everything but movement. But there is no additional limit on what that movement is or where it came from.

You seem to be wanting to see dash action as "making the move" like the attack action is "make an attack" but they are distinctly different.

I dont go with the Indivisible action either btw unless the situation makes it so. But Dash and Attack would be different either way.