Sage Advice Compendium Update 1/30/2019

[Yunru]

The trigger is taking the attack action **and** making an attack with blah blah.

Okay, still works for me. You were arguing that, officially, Shield Master couldn't come before the attacks because the trigger has to finish first. So for TWF the trigger has to finish first. So the Attack action and the attack with a light weapon have to both of finished.
Not seeing how you're getting just the attack with a light weapon having to finish.

 

[Oofta]

I think the whole two weapon fighting is just another example of the tortured/finicky reading you have to use if we try to parse out exact meanings.

I read "when you attack with a light weapon" as meaning that the attacks in the attack action need to be done with a light weapon. I think that's also how [MENTION=6780961]Yunru[/MENTION] interprets it: the wording has nothing to do with timing. For [MENTION=6919838]5ekyu[/MENTION], it seems to qualify the weapon used and the timing (that only one attack needs to be made).

In any case, I just say the heck with that and pay no attention to the letter of the rules.

 

[Krachek]

The indivisibilty of the « action ».
Only in DnD we can have such debate.
Of course being able to divide the action offer so much possibilities.
I wonder if warlock debate about the Indivisibilty of the soul?

 

[ad_hoc]

Discussion of bonus action timing starts 1 minute in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew1dc6VBHhA

 

[Yunru]

Discussion of bonus action timing starts 1 minute in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew1dc6VBHhA

Relevance to being official ended at [Insert date of latest compendium]

 

[Oofta]

Discussion of bonus action timing starts 1 minute in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew1dc6VBHhA

It's funny that you linked to that. Because JC's example of the monk is clear. It states that the bonus action must be taken "immediately after the attack action".

If other feats and ability were worded in a similar way I wouldn't have a problem. If it's what they meant, shield master and two weapon fighting could have said "take the bonus action after the attack action". But they don't. I never would have taken shield master for my paladin, but there are other feats I think are basically pointless. But they were not clear, hence page 134 on this topic.

In any case, not being able to take the attack action because you were interrupted is such an edge case I don't care. You meant to attack, you couldn't, you can't take a different action even if you wanted to. Just like bonus action spells and cantrips.

 

[5ekyu]

Okay, still works for me. You were arguing that, officially, Shield Master couldn't come before the attacks because the trigger has to finish first. So for TWF the trigger has to finish first. So the Attack action and the attack with a light weapon have to both of finished.
Not seeing how you're getting just the attack with a light weapon having to finish.

Pointless.

 

[5ekyu]

I think the whole two weapon fighting is just another example of the tortured/finicky reading you have to use if we try to parse out exact meanings.

I read "when you attack with a light weapon" as meaning that the attacks in the attack action need to be done with a light weapon. I think that's also how [MENTION=6780961]Yunru[/MENTION] interprets it: the wording has nothing to do with timing. For [MENTION=6919838]5ekyu[/MENTION], it seems to qualify the weapon used and the timing (that only one attack needs to be made).

In any case, I just say the heck with that and pay no attention to the letter of the rules.

Yup, as I said, I play both just need one attack to trigger myself because I dont buy the indivisible action. Doesnt bother me one bit it's not precisely RAW in some eyes.

But, I tend to clarify that as rulings in my campaign foc.

 

[Yunru]

Pointless.

No no, it's with a light weapon, not a blunt one!

 

[Arial Black]

One of the "clarifications" by JC was that actions cannot be interrupted unless specifically stated. It's specifically stated that you can take your movement between the attacks of an attack action, but it's an exception to the general rule.

That's the point though: there is no 'general rule' that actions are indivisible!

If there is, let us know which page of which book states this rule so we can see it for ourselves.

I have Extra Attack and the Shield Master feat. It's my turn. I announce that I am 'taking the Attack action' and execute an attack against an adjacent orc, killing it.

Have I 'taken the Attack action' or not?

If I have, then I have generated a bonus action shield shove, and can now take it at any time from now until the end of my turn, either before or after my extra attack.

If I have not, then I'll take the Cast a Spell action to cast ensnaring strike, because I have not used my action yet (you just said so!) and that orc died for free.

Which is it?