D&D 4E messy's 4e newbie questions thread

sabrinathecat · Jan 5, 2014

I have a question maybe someone can answer.

1: vampire class has "Hidden Might" which adds cha mod to Vampire Attack powers. What if the attack is already Cha-based? Does that mean Dark Beckoning does 1d6+chamod+chamod+magic implement+psychic Feat Bump(if you have one)

captpike · Jan 5, 2014

sabrinathecat said:
I have a question maybe someone can answer.

1: vampire class has "Hidden Might" which adds cha mod to Vampire Attack powers. What if the attack is already Cha-based? Does that mean Dark Beckoning does 1d6+chamod+chamod+magic implement+psychic Feat Bump(if you have one)

that is correct

Neonchameleon · Jan 5, 2014

sabrinathecat said:
I have a question maybe someone can answer.

1: vampire class has "Hidden Might" which adds cha mod to Vampire Attack powers. What if the attack is already Cha-based? Does that mean Dark Beckoning does 1d6+chamod+chamod+magic implement+psychic Feat Bump(if you have one)

Yes. And to be honest the vampire needs all the help it can get.

the Jester · Jan 6, 2014

Neonchameleon said:
Yes. And to be honest the vampire needs all the help it can get.

Dude... I don't know about that. Are you speaking from play experience or just from reading it?

The character in my epic group with the record for highest damage is the pixie vampire, over a rogue, a sorcerer and a barbarian (plus non-strikers). Said pixie is built for charging, with the helmet of whatever that gives her some extra d6s on damage, but she certainly doesn't seem to have any trouble keeping up!

captpike · Jan 6, 2014

the Jester said:
Dude... I don't know about that. Are you speaking from play experience or just from reading it?

The character in my epic group with the record for highest damage is the pixie vampire, over a rogue, a sorcerer and a barbarian (plus non-strikers). Said pixie is built for charging, with the helmet of whatever that gives her some extra d6s on damage, but she certainly doesn't seem to have any trouble keeping up!

charge optimization is so overpowered that you can add it to any class and that class becomes overpowered (even a charging wizard)

AbdulAlhazred · Jan 6, 2014

captpike said:
charge optimization is so overpowered that you can add it to any class and that class becomes overpowered (even a charging wizard)

Sadly I have to agree. My answer is I just NEVER give out any of the charge boosting items. If a PC does manage to get one, its a pretty significant thing. You can still pump up your charges a decent amount without all the boots, badges, weapons, and helmets, but it tends to be a lot less of a problem. Once that whole monkey-business is off the table then giving out ONE Horned Helm or Badge of the Berserker is NICE, but not stupid crazy.

Neonchameleon · Jan 6, 2014

the Jester said:
Dude... I don't know about that. Are you speaking from play experience or just from reading it?

The character in my epic group with the record for highest damage is the pixie vampire, over a rogue, a sorcerer and a barbarian (plus non-strikers). Said pixie is built for charging, with the helmet of whatever that gives her some extra d6s on damage, but she certainly doesn't seem to have any trouble keeping up!

Play experience. And charging pixies get ugly - they'd be even uglier as thieves or anyone else that can charge well. I'm not even sure half the charge boosters by the RAW work with the vampire (like the vanguard weapon) - it's not charging using a weapon attack.

the Jester · Jan 6, 2014

Neonchameleon said:
Play experience. And charging pixies get ugly - they'd be even uglier as thieves or anyone else that can charge well. I'm not even sure half the charge boosters by the RAW work with the vampire (like the vanguard weapon) - it's not charging using a weapon attack.

I guess I exaggerate a bit when I say she's "built for charging" - she has the helmet and maybe a single feat for it? Most of her stuff is really more "built for character neatness"- this is the player's first pc ever. I initially thought the vampire would be extra fragile, but I've been pleasantly surprised by her durability.

(Though she has died once, under torture, by dint of not having enough surges.)