Unearthed Arcana Why UA Psionics are never going to work in 5e.

[Maxperson]

Basics are easy, well, not the basics of language, the basics of weapons are easy. That is your position?

Let me ask then, as a Fencer, you learned how to stand, that took how many lessons before you stopped messing up and did it correctly every time? Did that cover what to do with a knife? A longsword? A Greataxe? A whip? Do you feel you know how to stand with a shield an a flail?

Where to hold your arms. Basic Punch. Basic Block. Basic Kick.

That is Five subjects, about 39 different weapons, about what, ten types of armor? Then add a shield to combo, as well as any one-handed light weapon being dual wielded.

Weapons are like latin languages. Once you learn one, it's much easier to learn the next one, because you can just skip over the similarities. There are groups of them that are so similar, that there is little to learn except the few differences.

I'm not sure why you seem unwilling to admit that this is a massive amount of knowledge. Learning to kinfe fight does not teach you how to wield a whip. Using a club is different from using a mace.

I already admitted that it would take longer than a day and cause a disconnect. How about you admit that 39 different weapons are not all completely different from any other weapon?

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

So, once you learn how to use a flail it takes you less time to learn how to throw a net? I don't see the logic in that. (I understand D&D isn't exactly logical) I disagree with that statement. Similar weapons are like latin languages. Once you learn how to use a longsword, it's easier to learn how to use a greatsword. Once you learn how to use a Maul, it's easier to learn how to properly use a warhammer.
(What are you currently arguing about? I thought this was a psionic discussion. What's the deal with weapon comparisons.)

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

Weapons are like latin languages. Once you learn one, it's much easier to learn the next one, because you can just skip over the similarities. There are groups of them that are so similar, that there is little to learn except the few differences.



I already admitted that it would take longer than a day and cause a disconnect. How about you admit that 39 different weapons are not all completely different from any other weapon?

Why don't you prove it mr. expert fencer?

Go get into a fight with Longswords. they're basically the same, right?

 

[Maxperson]

So, once you learn how to use a flail it takes you less time to learn how to throw a net? I don't see the logic in that.

Good, because that's not what I said. A mace and a club are very similar, though. Stabbing swords are similar. Different kinds of axes will be very similar. Slashing with an axe will be similar to slashing with a sword. Lots of shortcuts to be had.

Throwing up a Strawman doesn't help you much. I spoke about different weapon groups and didn't equate those two things.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Good, because that's not what I said. A mace and a club are very similar, though. Stabbing swords are similar. Different kinds of axes will be very similar. Slashing with an axe will be similar to slashing with a sword. Lots of shortcuts to be had.

Throwing up a Strawman doesn't help you much. I spoke about different weapon groups and didn't equate those two things.

You didn't reference flails and nets, but you said "Weapons are like latin languages. Once you learn one, it's much easier to learn the next one"

This is a fallacy, as many weapons are very different. You said "weapons" in general. This is a false assumption that once you learn how to use one obscure weapon like a dart, you can be better at using a different weapon, like a longbow. Also, you didn't say weapon groups, you said weapons.

 

[Maxperson]

You didn't reference flails and nets, but you said "Weapons are like latin languages. Once you learn one, it's much easier to learn the next one"

I said...

"There are groups of them that are so similar, that there is little to learn except the few differences."

If you can't bother to read the whole post and get the context, don't bother to respond to me.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

I said...

"There are groups of them that are so similar, that there is little to learn except the few differences."

If you can't bother to read the whole post and get the context, don't bother to respond to me.

methinks the saiyan doth protest too much.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

I said...

"There are groups of them that are so similar, that there is little to learn except the few differences."

If you can't bother to read the whole post and get the context, don't bother to respond to me.

(You are unnecassarily aggressive on this thread.)

Also, your first 2 claims suggested that learning any weapon makes you more apt at learning a different weapon of any type. Also, your later statement that there are groups of them that are similar I agree with. There are groups that are similar, but there aren't many. This doesn't change your general statement at first that "Weapons are like Latin Languages"

That implies that all weapons are this way.
Additionally, you're not going to learn much about how to use a rapier by using a greatsword, even though they're both swords and belong in the same groups.

Again, you can't assume that wielding one weapon well will make you better at another weapon.

 

[Maxperson]

Also, your first 2 claims suggested that learning any weapon makes you more apt at learning a different weapon of any type. Also, your later statement that there are groups of them that are similar I agree with. There are groups that are similar, but there aren't many. This doesn't change your general statement at first that "Weapons are like Latin Languages"

Context is your friend. My sentence about weapon groups gave context the first sentences as they were in the same paragraph on the same subject.

Additionally, you're not going to learn much about how to use a rapier by using a greatsword, even though they're both swords and belong in the same groups.

Tripling down on your Strawman doesn't help. My first response to you made it clear that I was grouping similar weapons by attack type, not by name.

 

[Ovinomancer]

This is like a game of Calvinball. Whenever you think you know what the rules are, where the goalposts are, what the bases are for, and even where the field is, you find out you're losing.