WotC James Wyatt is on the Dungeons & Dragons Team Again

[Kobold Avenger]

I feel the 4e Tiefling is antithetical to the idea of Diversity when the pre-4e Tieflings were more open to the ideas of Diversity. I certainly saw there being a nuance of being a minority group, others probably saw there being a LGTBQ nuance (the entry from Fiends: Face of Evil addresses that), and for others maybe it was just about being in a misunderstood sub-culture. The 4e version I feel takes away from those.

 

[Aldarc]

Perhaps you didnt finish that section yet.

"Tieflings in Faerun GENERALLY have the racial traits of tieflings in the Players Handbook, EXCEPT that those not descended from Asmodeus might exhibit different qualities: see the 'Tiefling Variants" sidebar.

Page 118, and 119.

You mean the ones that aren't descended from Asmodeus because they are descended from some other diabolical bloodline?

1. Not an Asmodeous Monolith anymore.
2. Not all Hellboy/Hellgirl Costumed anymore.

So, yes. An option was provided that directly refutes the 4e version.

5e Tieflings are still infernal. I don't think that "bonus options," especially in a book that provides alternate lineages for half-elves, somehow constitutes as a "refutation" of the 4e version. I think you're reading a bit too much into far too little.

I was going to write something else out, but I deleted it because I'm curious. Would you mind finding for me the textual evidence for the "Asmodeus monolith" in 4e? With whom did the 4e human precursors of the tieflings make their infernal pact? Does it only apply to the Spellplagued Forgotten Realms? Because I think the answer may surprise you.

 

[Scribe]

Would you mind finding for me the textual evidence for the "Asmodeus monolith" in 4e? With whom did the 4e human precursors of the tieflings make their infernal pact? Does it only apply to the Spellplagued Forgotten Realms? Because I think the answer may surprise you.

Are you asking what the 4e Tiefling canon was/is? I dont have it in book format so I cant grab that as I could with SCAG right beside me.

5e Tieflings are still infernal. I don't think that "bonus options," especially in a book that provides alternate lineages for half-elves, somehow constitutes as a "refutation" of the 4e version. I think you're reading a bit too much into far too little.

The how we get there is irrelevant to me.

Not all Asmodeous. Not all Hellboy. Like I could do pre-4e.

Does the SCAG answer those issues?

Mostly yes. Do I need you to lose your options to get mine? Not at all. Do I want you to lose what you like? Not unless it prevents me from having options.

Its that simple.

 

[Aldarc]

Are you asking what the 4e Tiefling canon was/is? I dont have it in book format so I cant grab that as I could with SCAG right beside me.

Yes. I am asking you for evidence about what you claim to be arguing against. Was that too much or too unreasonable to ask?

 

[Scribe]

Yes. I am asking you for evidence about what you claim to be arguing against. Was that too much or too unreasonable to ask?

Did I say you were unreasonable?

I'll look it up tonight, but I assume you have the information so you could save us some time.

 

[Scribe]

I mean..

The Tiefling Race for Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) Fifth Edition (5e) - D&D Beyond

“But you do see the way people look at you, devil’s child.” Those black eyes, cold as a winter storm, were staring right into her heart and the sudden seriousness in his voice jolted her. “What is it they say?” he asked. “One’s a curiosity, two’s a conspiracy—” “Three’s a c...

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And to twist the knife, tieflings know that this is because a pact struck generations ago infused the essence of Asmodeus—overlord of the Nine Hells—into their bloodline.

Tieflings have large horns that take any of a variety of shapes: some have curling horns like a ram, others have straight and tall horns like a gazelle’s, and some spiral upward like an antelopes’ horns. They have thick tails, four to five feet long, which lash or coil around their legs when they get upset or nervous. Their canine teeth are sharply pointed, and their eyes are solid colors—black, red, white, silver, or gold—with no visible sclera or pupil. Their skin tones cover the full range of human coloration, but also include various shades of red. Their hair, cascading down from behind their horns, is usually dark, from black or brown to dark red, blue, or purple.

This comes from 5e, but was based on the 4e.

SCAG, gives options against that baseline. That is all I'm saying. I dont want THAT. I want what we had before. SCAG provides it.

EDIT: This is literally the same thing as the Floating ASI, Orc, and Alignment discussions. It is seemingly fine to deny me options, when I'm not looking to deny anyone theirs, yet I'm the unreasonable one.

 

[Aldarc]

I'll look it up tonight, but I assume you have the information so you could save us some time.

I could, but you are the one with an axe to grind against the 4e "Asmodeus Monolith" tieflings, so I assumed that you knew.

 

[Scribe]

I could, but you are the one with an axe to grind against the 4e "Asmodeus Monolith" tieflings, so I assumed that you knew.

And to twist the knife, tieflings know that this is because a pact struck generations ago infused the essence of Asmodeus—overlord of the Nine Hells—into their bloodline.

That alone is enough to warrant an update to allow for options.

Thankfully, Wizards agreed.

EDIT: I dont want to use the Wiki for a source, so I'm afraid you'll have to wait for the quote.

 

[Aldarc]

I mean..

This comes from 5e, but was based on the 4e.

SCAG, gives options against that baseline. That is all I'm saying. I dont want THAT. I want what we had before. SCAG provides it.

I mean... 5e Lore =! 4e Lore. Being "based on" doesn't mean that it follows the established lore.

That alone is enough to warrant an update to allow for options.

Thankfully, Wizards agreed.

So you are complaining about the 5e version and not the 4e version?

Please, find me 4e citations and not 5e ones.

 

[cavalier973]

The most notable thing about James Wyatt that I remember is that he was the only Acquisitions, Inc. DM besides Chris Perkins (season 1), until Chris retired from the position.

As for tieflings, is it pronounced "tieflings", or "tieflings"?

Also, the only playable races should be humans, dwarves, halflings, and elves, and the latter three should be played as distinct classes, as well. Harrrumph! folds arms, glares about the room