Marvel vs DC

[embee]

Eh, I feel like that's way more specific than the complaint is usually made.

At a certain level I think people react viscerally to the ending and end up painting with a broad brush. I mean, there are few movies I've seen the internet have such a knee-jerk reaction to as Man of Steel. It's a flawed movie, but I find most of the time people really go beyond what they need to trying to make a point.

I think people also have this preconceived notion of Superman based on really hazy memories of the Christopher Reeve Superman movies - which were pretty bad.

And yes, they were bad.

With the exception of some very good scenes, the movie itself is mediocre. For every "You've got me?! Who's got you?!" from Lois, you get idiocy like "How many Rs in massacre?" You've got Superman telling a reporter about his weaknesses. You've got a frankly stupid plot to flip a real estate investment in Nevada? The comic relief is, by and large, dad jokes ("Bad vibrations?"). Then there's the cringey fact that Superman has one POC with any lines in it - a "jive-talking" Black stereotype.

Superman II is pretty bad. The progenitor of Marvel bloodless destruction in scenes like the fight in downtown Metropolis coupled with clumsy writing. Not to mention that not only does Superman straight up murder Zod in the end, he's happy to do so. Go back and watch it. Superman depowers Zod and then happily drops him into a bottomless pit. And then Lois murders Ursa. After doing all this, Superman then goes back to a diner to get revenge on someone. That's the Christopher Reeve Superman that people claim to prefer - a murdery Superman who beats the crap out of humans.

Superman III is a live-action cartoon. Not to mention that it's dated and riddled with plot holes.

And Superman IV: The Quest For Peace... well, it's Superman IV: The Quest For Peace. It's only "redeeming" point is that it finally addresses the fact that Superman has the power to do more than rescue kittens from trees and can actually make a lasting difference.

Superman Returns tries to retcon away III and IV and succeeds in making Superman into a mopey stalker.

From what I can tell, when people say that they don't like Man of Steel or Henry Cavill's Superman, what they're really saying is that they prefer silly and stupid Superman movies.

 

[Justice and Rule]

I think people also have this preconceived notion of Superman based on really hazy memories of the Christopher Reeve Superman movies - which were pretty bad.

And yes, they were bad.

With the exception of some very good scenes, the movie itself is mediocre. For every "You've got me?! Who's got you?!" from Lois, you get idiocy like "How many Rs in massacre?" You've got Superman telling a reporter about his weaknesses. You've got a frankly stupid plot to flip a real estate investment in Nevada? The comic relief is, by and large, dad jokes ("Bad vibrations?"). Then there's the cringey fact that Superman has one POC with any lines in it - a "jive-talking" Black stereotype.

Superman II is pretty bad. The progenitor of Marvel bloodless destruction in scenes like the fight in downtown Metropolis coupled with clumsy writing. Not to mention that not only does Superman straight up murder Zod in the end, he's happy to do so. Go back and watch it. Superman depowers Zod and then happily drops him into a bottomless pit. And then Lois murders Ursa. After doing all this, Superman then goes back to a diner to get revenge on someone. That's the Christopher Reeve Superman that people claim to prefer - a murdery Superman who beats the crap out of humans.

Superman III is a live-action cartoon. Not to mention that it's dated and riddled with plot holes.

And Superman IV: The Quest For Peace... well, it's Superman IV: The Quest For Peace. It's only "redeeming" point is that it finally addresses the fact that Superman has the power to do more than rescue kittens from trees and can actually make a lasting difference.

Superman Returns tries to retcon away III and IV and succeeds in making Superman into a mopey stalker.

From what I can tell, when people say that they don't like Man of Steel or Henry Cavill's Superman, what they're really saying is that they prefer silly and stupid Superman movies.

The Reeve movies are silly, yes, but that fits the style: they are Silver-Bronze age stories, which feel very different from what we have today. I still love them (At least 1 & 2), but I also love all different flavors of Superman.

 

[ART!]

I think people also have this preconceived notion of Superman based on really hazy memories of the Christopher Reeve Superman movies - which were pretty bad.

And yes, they were bad.

With the exception of some very good scenes, the movie itself is mediocre. For every "You've got me?! Who's got you?!" from Lois, you get idiocy like "How many Rs in massacre?" You've got Superman telling a reporter about his weaknesses. You've got a frankly stupid plot to flip a real estate investment in Nevada? The comic relief is, by and large, dad jokes ("Bad vibrations?"). Then there's the cringey fact that Superman has one POC with any lines in it - a "jive-talking" Black stereotype.

Superman II is pretty bad. The progenitor of Marvel bloodless destruction in scenes like the fight in downtown Metropolis coupled with clumsy writing. Not to mention that not only does Superman straight up murder Zod in the end, he's happy to do so. Go back and watch it. Superman depowers Zod and then happily drops him into a bottomless pit. And then Lois murders Ursa. After doing all this, Superman then goes back to a diner to get revenge on someone. That's the Christopher Reeve Superman that people claim to prefer - a murdery Superman who beats the crap out of humans.

Superman III is a live-action cartoon. Not to mention that it's dated and riddled with plot holes.

And Superman IV: The Quest For Peace... well, it's Superman IV: The Quest For Peace. It's only "redeeming" point is that it finally addresses the fact that Superman has the power to do more than rescue kittens from trees and can actually make a lasting difference.

Superman Returns tries to retcon away III and IV and succeeds in making Superman into a mopey stalker.

From what I can tell, when people say that they don't like Man of Steel or Henry Cavill's Superman, what they're really saying is that they prefer silly and stupid Superman movies.

It's easy to make things sound silly and stupid by listing the silliest and stupidest details.

 

[Imaculata]

From what I can tell, when people say that they don't like Man of Steel or Henry Cavill's Superman, what they're really saying is that they prefer silly and stupid Superman movies.

Or, they say that they really like previous takes on Superman. Yes, the Christopher Reeve Superman movies are pretty hokey. But the man also has a lot of charisma, and his portrayal of the character is very likable.

If I had to choose which of the two Supermen to hang out with, it wouldn't be grim dark Snyderverse Superman.

 

[Ryujin]

I think people also have this preconceived notion of Superman based on really hazy memories of the Christopher Reeve Superman movies - which were pretty bad.

And yes, they were bad.

With the exception of some very good scenes, the movie itself is mediocre. For every "You've got me?! Who's got you?!" from Lois, you get idiocy like "How many Rs in massacre?" You've got Superman telling a reporter about his weaknesses. You've got a frankly stupid plot to flip a real estate investment in Nevada? The comic relief is, by and large, dad jokes ("Bad vibrations?"). Then there's the cringey fact that Superman has one POC with any lines in it - a "jive-talking" Black stereotype.

Superman II is pretty bad. The progenitor of Marvel bloodless destruction in scenes like the fight in downtown Metropolis coupled with clumsy writing. Not to mention that not only does Superman straight up murder Zod in the end, he's happy to do so. Go back and watch it. Superman depowers Zod and then happily drops him into a bottomless pit. And then Lois murders Ursa. After doing all this, Superman then goes back to a diner to get revenge on someone. That's the Christopher Reeve Superman that people claim to prefer - a murdery Superman who beats the crap out of humans.

Superman III is a live-action cartoon. Not to mention that it's dated and riddled with plot holes.

And Superman IV: The Quest For Peace... well, it's Superman IV: The Quest For Peace. It's only "redeeming" point is that it finally addresses the fact that Superman has the power to do more than rescue kittens from trees and can actually make a lasting difference.

Superman Returns tries to retcon away III and IV and succeeds in making Superman into a mopey stalker.

From what I can tell, when people say that they don't like Man of Steel or Henry Cavill's Superman, what they're really saying is that they prefer silly and stupid Superman movies.

Superman 1 had some hokey and tone deaf parts.

Superman 2 suffered from a helm change, which made OK into bad.

Superman 3? GAK!

The on-screen Superman of my formative years was a different Reeves: George.

 

[Justice and Rule]

Superman 1 had some hokey and tone deaf parts.

Superman 2 suffered from a helm change, which made OK into bad.

Superman 3? GAK!

The on-screen Superman of my formative years was a different Reeves: George.

If I remember correctly, the Donner cut is a bit better compared to the original.

Personally, while Reeve was part of my introduction to Superman, George Newbern and Tim Daly were my iconic version.

 

[ART!]

Just for the record:

Christopher Reeve

George Reeves

 

[Justice and Rule]

Just for the record:

Christopher Reeve

George Reeves

Sorry, Michigander in me can't help but come out.

 

[embee]

Sorry, Michigander in me can't help but come out.

No problemo. The Marylander in me puts in Rs where there are no Rs.

Which is why the capital of the United States is, in actuality, Warshington, DC.

 

[embee]

Or, they say that they really like previous takes on Superman. Yes, the Christopher Reeve Superman movies are pretty hokey. But the man also has a lot of charisma, and his portrayal of the character is very likable.

If I had to choose which of the two Supermen to hang out with, it wouldn't be grim dark Snyderverse Superman.

You mean Hard-Drinkin' Kal?