D&D 5E Greyhawk: Pitching the Reboot

dave2008

Legend
Greyhawk has to do something. You can't sell fantasy on a map with some of the fantasy restricted without some kind of spice to jazz it up. That's just selling trust in the group to do the work in making up for the losses.
I agree it needs something, we just don't agree on what that is. I think the restrictions could be that something, but there a lots of other ways the could go or add on top of the low-magic idea if they decided that is not enough. If the included stronghold, mass combat, and kingdom management as part of low-magic greyhawk setting that would be cool too. i wouldn't use those, but some people would.
 

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dave2008

Legend
That could very well be true. I followed that a bit, constant rewrites WotC ordered for their novels, the resulting lawsuit, it being dropped. Pretty strange, as Tracy and Margaret (who I've met) are top notch individuals and creators. Biz-is-Biz, however. Oftentimes creators and biz-people come to terms within the arrangement, sometimes not.
Well the novels are back on, so differences can be resolved.
 

dave2008

Legend
BUT. They have not opened it up for Greyhawk. That's the proof and the pudding, no?
I don't think so. Everything takes time with 5e. They have opened very few settings on the DMsGuild so far. The pattern has always been to release a setting book and then open it on DMsGuild. So, we just need to push for a setting book it seems to me. I honestly believe we will see it in 2024 if not before.
 


dave2008

Legend
And they probably didn't like backing down from the recent lawsuit over the new trilogy Hickman and Weis slapped them with either.
That was not legal interpretation I heard on these forums when the suit was repealed by Wies and Hickman, but I'm not a lawyer.
 

Not that I think it really maters, because the are directly competing with FR whether they are high fantast or not...
The two settings being closer means you're less likely to capture new customers. Someone who would buy a Greyhawk book is likely to buy an FR book. Someone who would buy a Ravnica book may or may not be an FR buyer, so if you're already selling FR adding Ravnica is a better bet for getting new customers.

But I'm not sure that applies: WotC isn't really selling FR in and of itself. They're just using a foggy version as a backdrop to selling adventures and pc options. So a Greyhawk book with new adventures and/or pc options wouldn't really be vote-splitting.
 

Minigiant

Legend
Supporter
I agree it needs something, we just don't agree on what that is. I think the restrictions could be that something, but there a lots of other ways the could go or add on top of the low-magic idea if they decided that is not enough. If the included stronghold, mass combat, and kingdom management as part of low-magic greyhawk setting that would be cool too. i wouldn't use those, but some people would.

I don't even know what Greyhawk needs to even disagree with anyone on what it is.

I'm just saying that Restrictions is just Subtraction and Subtraction on its own is a terrible selling point. Saying you are adding Substraction and just Subtraction is purely selling less and offering a product that can be copied.

Which to me is the crux of the problem. Few can agree on what Greyhawk or Greyhawk 2.0 adds or emphasizes.
 

Oof, reading that Mearls didn't even reply to Rob Kuntz is honestly quite sad... that's just rude!
Had to come back for this one. The point I made was not specific to Mearls (but generally 3 I posed about WotC's non-responses, all of which, left to the area of silence, were interpretable); and even though I mentioned him as a contact person, what I assumed at the time to be THE contact person at WotC re such a matter, that reference was not meant to start bashing-of-Mearls rejoinders. Biz is Biz. Sometimes you take the cold shoulders as an easy way out. It's never stopped me: 100 publishing credits, 2 awards and published in 20 languages, if I did nothing else (highly unlikely!) until my eventual retirement, I'd have earned my chops.

I do appreciate the nod of respect, OTOH. ;)
 

Urriak Uruk

Gaming is fun, and fun is for everyone
Had to come back for this one. The point I made was not specific to Mearls (but generally 3 I posed about WotC's non-responses, all of which, left to the area of silence, were interpretable); and even though I mentioned him as a contact person, what I assumed at the time to be THE contact person at WotC re such a matter, that reference was not meant to start bashing-of-Mearls rejoinders. Biz is Biz. Sometimes you take the cold shoulders as an easy way out. It's never stopped me: 100 publishing credits, 2 awards and published in 20 languages, if I did nothing else (highly unlikely!) until my eventual retirement, I'd have earned my chops.

I do appreciate the nod of respect, OTOH. ;)

Well, this is a good way of taking it, I suppose. I do believe the proper way of responding is a polite "No thank you," but I suppose as a Canadian I am a little naive as to how people should respond to this sort of thing...
 

Well, this is a good way of taking it, I suppose. I do believe the proper way of responding is a polite "No thank you," but I suppose as a Canadian I am a little naive as to how people should respond to this sort of thing...
Well. Biz is also the ability to not cry over imagined spilled milk. I have NEVER been desperate to sell a deal no matter who I am dealing with. It's all about the product with me. So I am left with: is it the product? Me? if he had said "No thank you." As it stood it was neither. Always find solutions, not problems. I never concern myself with things I cannot control. That is the way forward past all of the self-imagined walls. In summary, everything is a positive. "What does not destroy me strengthens me." -- F. Neitzsche
 

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