Sacrosanct
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Are you really going with the "people of that group call themselves that, so it can't be offensive" line of defense?I can assure you, grognard isn’t just used pejoratively - all you have to do is hang around with wargamers long enough to see that. Plus, they wouldn’t call a wargame community site grognard.com if it were just pejorative.
Considering Napoleon’s grognards were a highly respected formation that had won the right to complain openly, I’m more inclined to think that anyone using It pejoratively is actually fairly clueless about the connotations of the term.
There's a vast difference between someone self-labeling and being labeled that by someone else, or everyone in a general category being lumped together into the same group. Whatever the source of the term, it seems to be primarily used as a pejorative.
In other words, it's okay for me to make a joke about how young whipper snappers should stay off my lawn. It's another story completely if you accuse me of being an old coot telling youngsters to stay off my lawn.
This article is good news all around, it means that the hobby is healthy and growing. I was just (very) mildly annoyed by the use of grognard because of how I see it used on this message board. Now stay off my lawn.![]()
Exactly. As I mentioned upthread, I am honestly surprised that we have folks using a term in a negative context, then telling people of that group who found it problematic, that they are the ones who are wrong for finding it problematic, and it's not really an issue to use the term even in a negative way, because of...
Before this keeps getting more and more out of hand, I don't have a universal disdain for that term, much the same as you. I think context matters. But like you, it's starting to get old (no pun intended) when people keep using it as a pejorative, and then when you point it out, start trying to convince you it's your fault for finding it problematic.
Is it really that hard just to avoid using that term in a negative way to describe people not like you?