Lanefan
Victoria Rules
Drakharis.Think before you flamethen flame with intent.
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Drakharis.Think before you flamethen flame with intent.
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More of an Old School Scholasticism guy myself, not even too sure about this new-fangled Aristotelianism. The "Renaissance," fuhgetaboteet.It depends on which theology and when. The Renaissance speculative theology had an elementalist worldview comprising a Great Chain of Being, which transitioned fluidly from solid matter to ethereal spirit: Earth (solid), Water (liquid), Air (gas), Fire, and Spirit. In this sense, an angel that was made out of Spirit was perceived to take up some space even if their substance was more fine and less course. Similarly, a fairy was made out of Spirit thus was also able to shrink down its size − to about the size of a thumbnail. The fairy was fine, but not as fine as an angel who could shrink down even finer.
For D&D, I view the angels as constructs made out of aster, the mindstuff of the Astral Plane. The angel is pure thought, an "intellect", and lacks substance. However the angel can manifest physically within the Material Plane as a solid. To do so, the angel physicalizes via the ether of the Ethereal Plane. The ether is the fifth element that potentially comprises the other four elements. The ether itself is "spirit" as a material element. This element is the interface between the mindscape of the Astral Plane and the physicality of the Material Plane. Ether itself is pure force, including gravity. Force is energetic like fire, and fluid like water, but is itself immaterial. Ether is the element that keeps the moon and the other "stars" in their orbits. The mind of the angel manifests via the ether and physicalizes as a temporary force construct.
The Feywild and the Shadowfell are also made out of ether. Fey neighbors the Positive Plane, and Shadow neighbors the Negative Plane.
When mages "summon" spirits, such as Elemental, Fey, Shadow, Celestial or Fiend, the body that appears is a construct made out of force, aka ether.
If a person kills a Fey animal, the temporary force body vanishes but the animal is still ok. The mind of the animal reverts to its planar source, wherever that is. Similarly an angel.
Yes, this. This is why I unwatch and drop out of a lot of threads.Yes but they won't and you can't make them. People who skip threads to comment as far less annoying than the two or three people that have side tracked in to an "Angels dancing on pinheads" type argument, where no objective resolution is possible and they fill the thread with 50 pages of increasingly obscure, point by point rebuttals.
It's funny, that reminds me of a beef I have with 3E grappling rules. In this essay, I will...I just wish people could stay on topic. That would mean it would be useful to actually read the whole thread.
@Pamandur i think you need to lay off the sugar or what ever is making you so giddy this eveningIt's funny, that reminds me of a beef I have with 3E grappling rules. In this essay, I will...
Idea:I sometimes do that and usually also include an apology if I am repeating other people, especially if I do not have the time at that moment to read everything. And I never post in a volatile thread until I have read to the end. In those threads, how many times do we see people have to go back and edit or delete their comments because they just could not stand to wait until they have read everything and get burned by a moderator comment?
Oh, that's good stuff man. Let's all talk more about angels and ether, yummy, yummy.It depends on which theology and when. The Renaissance speculative theology had an elementalist worldview comprising a Great Chain of Being, which transitioned fluidly from solid matter to ethereal spirit: Earth (solid), Water (liquid), Air (gas), Fire, and Spirit. In this sense, an angel that was made out of Spirit was perceived to take up some space even if their substance was more fine and less course. Similarly, a fairy was made out of Spirit thus was also able to shrink down its size − to about the size of a thumbnail. The fairy was fine, but not as fine as an angel who could shrink down even finer.
For D&D, I view the angels as constructs made out of aster, the mindstuff of the Astral Plane. The angel is pure thought, an "intellect", and lacks substance. However the angel can manifest physically within the Material Plane as a solid. To do so, the angel physicalizes via the ether of the Ethereal Plane. The ether is the fifth element that potentially comprises the other four elements. The ether itself is "spirit" as a material element. This element is the interface between the mindscape of the Astral Plane and the physicality of the Material Plane. Ether itself is pure force, including gravity. Force is energetic like fire, and fluid like water, but is itself immaterial. Ether is the element that keeps the moon and the other "stars" in their orbits. The mind of the angel manifests via the ether and physicalizes as a temporary force construct.
The Feywild and the Shadowfell are also made out of ether. Fey neighbors the Positive Plane, and Shadow neighbors the Negative Plane.
When mages "summon" spirits, such as Elemental, Fey, Shadow, Celestial or Fiend, the body that appears is a construct made out of force, aka ether.
If a person kills a Fey animal, the temporary force body vanishes but the animal is still ok. The mind of the animal reverts to its planar source, wherever that is. Similarly an angel.
I relocated this tangent to the Cleric and deity thread. I think you should see a notification linking you to the quote from you there.More of an Old School Scholasticism guy myself, not even too sure about this new-fangled Aristotelianism. The "Renaissance," fuhgetaboteet.