Sean K. Reynolds talks RPG salaries, puts his on record.

[Jd Smith1]

Serious question (not just pushing buttons here), why do you not believe this data? Statista is generally considered a reliable source. It matches the data from U Michigan. What information would be needed for you to find this believable?

Considered by whom?

Not by anyone who understands data collection. And a university? Please; the days when US academia had actual credibility are barely at the cusp of living memory.

 

[Jd Smith1]

Sorry. The data is out there. Salaries are shrinking compared to costs. Like, all over the internet. Find data that refutes what I posted. I'm interested in facts.

I don't believe you are. I think you're interested in statistics, which is far, far from the same thing.

I don't believe in Santa Claus, nor in unbiased data collection for public dissemination.

 

[Morrus]

As Disraeli noted: There are three types of falsehood: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Except statistics are pretty good, pithy as the quote may be. Statistics are data.

 

[Jd Smith1]

Except statistics are pretty good, pithy as the quote may be. Statistics are data.

Only if the data they are based upon is factual.

There's a lovely example I like to use: When Ann Richards, the last Democrat governor of Texas, ran for office, she promised a substantial reduction in violent crime. When she took office for what would be her single term, the State re-defined sexual assaults from violent crime to crimes against persons. At that time, sexual assaults made up roughly 20% of the violent crime in Texas.

So when the annual tabulation came around, violent crime statistics were roughly 20% lower than they had been the previous year.

The nature and scope of crime never changed. But the statistics did.

 

[Morrus]

Only if the data they are based upon is factual.

There's a lovely example I like to use: When Ann Richards, the last Democrat governor of Texas, ran for office, she promised a substantial reduction in violent crime. When she took office for what would be her single term, the State re-defined sexual assaults from violent crime to crimes against persons. At that time, sexual assaults made up roughly 20% of the violent crime in Texas.

So when the annual tabulation came around, violent crime statistics were roughly 20% lower than they had been the previous year.

The nature and scope of crime never changed. But the statistics did.

Keep the local politics off this site, please.

 

[Deset Gled]

Considered by whom?

Not by anyone who understands data collection. And a university? Please; the days when US academia had actual credibility are barely at the cusp of living memory.

This doesn't answer either of my questions. We can try another way if you like: if someone asked you what percentage of people live in urban environments, how would you answer the question? How would you get data to provide a quantified and qualified answer?

 

[Blue]

This doesn't answer either of my questions. We can try another way if you like: if someone asked you what percentage of people live in urban environments, how would you answer the question? How would you get data to provide a quantified and qualified answer?

If someone is unwilling to accept accredited numbers from multiple sources over their own gut feel and anecdotal evidence, I am unsure if there is worth in continuing to debate with them as they can and have refuted anything that does not match their confirmation bias. At this point instead of letting this thread devolve into everyone with facts trying to fit that one person's requirements, let's get back to the original discussion.

 

[Jd Smith1]

This doesn't answer either of my questions. We can try another way if you like: if someone asked you what percentage of people live in urban environments, how would you answer the question? How would you get data to provide a quantified and qualified answer?

I wouldn't.

I don't know of any source that could be considered unbiased.

 

[Jd Smith1]

If someone is unwilling to accept accredited numbers from multiple sources over their own gut feel and anecdotal evidence, I am unsure if there is worth in continuing to debate with them as they can and have refuted anything that does not match their confirmation bias. At this point instead of letting this thread devolve into everyone with facts trying to fit that one person's requirements, let's get back to the original discussion.

Except no 'accredited' sources have been provided, and my statements are based upon factual knowledge gained from working with databases of the type in question. Nor am I unique in regards to my opinion.

The issue presented is is very simple: do you believe that government and for-profit organizations will provide unbiased databases which are then used to support their budgetary allocations, justify their existence/expansion, and/or secure favorable attention?

Keeping in mind that on this very day Congress is locked in a bitter, on-going, and lengthy struggle over the definition and viability of several bills based on database information.

But yes, I agree it is time to move back to discussing RPG writer salaries.

 

[Morrus]

OK, last warning. Next person to bring up politics will be leaving the thread. I think I've been clear.