Pathfinder 2E Paizo drops use of the word phylactery

[Maxperson]

To be fair, that example only works if empathy is actually the cause of "enabling." I don't think that's anything more than a guess on your part, though. I also suspect-- though I'm not certain-- that there would be disagreement with that assertion from some mental health professionals.

I'm fairly certain that a lot of enabling comes from people having too much empathy for the person being enabled. And certainly a lot isn't.

 

[BookTenTiger]

As an example, I think too much empathy is behind a lot of enabling, which can be destructive to those enabled.

This is so far from the topic it's dizzying.

Please let's not turn this into a debate about the definition of empathy.

I imagine with @Tormai is trying to get at is the mythical idea (that's been floated in this thread before) about being "offended on behalf" of someone. As if one shouldn't be disturbed by unkind behavior towards others.

Tormai, is that where you are heading with your "too much empathy?" If not, please do correct me.

 

[Maxperson]

I imagine with @Tormai is trying to get at is the mythical idea (that's been floated in this thread before) about being "offended on behalf" of someone.

It's not mythical. As a Jewish man, I've encountered it before. It far more annoying to me for some non-jewish person to start talking about how offensive a non-offensive idea(like the word phylactery) is to Jews, than the ideas they are championing are. I just want them to stop.

 

[J.Quondam]

I'm fairly certain that a lot of enabling comes from people having too much empathy for the person being enabled. And certainly a lot isn't.

Perhaps, perhaps not. I'm only pointing out that an layman's impression of a mental health issue is rarely reflective of reality, especially as a generalization. Especially in a thread about terminology.

 

[Maxperson]

Perhaps, perhaps not. I'm only pointing out that an layman's impression of a mental health issue is rarely reflective of reality, especially as a generalization. Especially in a thread about terminology.

Here are some articles that show that too much empathy turns into enabling, and some that show that too much empathy can be bad in other ways. This is my last post on this, though, as I agree that it's too far afield of the phylactery topic. I'd be happy to continue it in private with anyone who wants.

Enabling VS Empathy - It's a Fine Line - Interacting With Addiction

Even if you aren’t familiar with addiction treatment, you’ve probably heard the term “enabler”. Enabling describes how loved ones interact with a person with a substance use disorder (SUD). And although many of us have heard the word, few of us know what it actually means. Enabling behavior is...

sanfordhousegr.com

The Fine Line Between Showing Empathy and Enabling - Sex & Porn

The difference between showing empathy and enabling is a fine line, and you will have to learn the difference to help your loved one.

beginagaininstitute.com

How to Avoid the Empathy Trap

Do you prioritize other people's feelings over your own? You might be falling into the "empathy trap."

greatergood.berkeley.edu

What is Toxic Empathy? | How to Emotionally Protect Yourself

Toxic empathy is when someone over-identifies with somebody else’s feelings & literally takes them on as their own. Learn how to protect your mental health.

www.mygbhp.com

 

[J.Quondam]

Here are some articles that show that too much empathy turns into enabling, and some that show that too much empathy can be bad in other ways. This is my last post on this, though, as I agree that it's too far afield of the phylactery topic. I'd be happy to continue it in private with anyone who wants.

Enabling VS Empathy - It's a Fine Line - Interacting With Addiction

Even if you aren’t familiar with addiction treatment, you’ve probably heard the term “enabler”. Enabling describes how loved ones interact with a person with a substance use disorder (SUD). And although many of us have heard the word, few of us know what it actually means. Enabling behavior is...

sanfordhousegr.com

The Fine Line Between Showing Empathy and Enabling - Sex & Porn

The difference between showing empathy and enabling is a fine line, and you will have to learn the difference to help your loved one.

beginagaininstitute.com

How to Avoid the Empathy Trap

Do you prioritize other people's feelings over your own? You might be falling into the "empathy trap."

greatergood.berkeley.edu

What is Toxic Empathy? | How to Emotionally Protect Yourself

Toxic empathy is when someone over-identifies with somebody else’s feelings & literally takes them on as their own. Learn how to protect your mental health.

www.mygbhp.com

So is my bottomless empathy for you enabling your need to double down on this?

 

[Justice and Rule]

Here are some articles that show that too much empathy turns into enabling, and some that show that too much empathy can be bad in other ways. This is my last post on this, though, as I agree that it's too far afield of the phylactery topic. I'd be happy to continue it in private with anyone who wants.

Enabling VS Empathy - It's a Fine Line - Interacting With Addiction

Even if you aren’t familiar with addiction treatment, you’ve probably heard the term “enabler”. Enabling describes how loved ones interact with a person with a substance use disorder (SUD). And although many of us have heard the word, few of us know what it actually means. Enabling behavior is...

sanfordhousegr.com

The Fine Line Between Showing Empathy and Enabling - Sex & Porn

The difference between showing empathy and enabling is a fine line, and you will have to learn the difference to help your loved one.

beginagaininstitute.com

How to Avoid the Empathy Trap

Do you prioritize other people's feelings over your own? You might be falling into the "empathy trap."

greatergood.berkeley.edu

What is Toxic Empathy? | How to Emotionally Protect Yourself

Toxic empathy is when someone over-identifies with somebody else’s feelings & literally takes them on as their own. Learn how to protect your mental health.

www.mygbhp.com

Only two of those articles say that. The other two talk about not overprioritizing others feelings over your own.

 

[Greg K]

What is your point? From where I'm standing, that's what it looks like - because we can repurpose this word, it's okay to repurpose any word?

I am not going to get into a long post (which aggravates a, current visual impairment and results in me spending too much time and several editings to make my posts somewhat coherent further aggravatign the condition).
Ultimately, Paizo has the right to change it. I said this in another thread. If they have described a phyllactery using the description of a tefellin, they could have also changed the description and provided examples to be clear that they were using one of the alternate definitions. SImilarly, if they did not the physical description of a tefillin, they, again, could have used a description and examples so that it was clear that they were using the alternate definition(s) equally as old.
edit: and is using alternate long existing dictionary definitions of a word repurposing or just clarifying the context and definition in which is using a given word?

 

[Greg K]

It's not mythical. As a Jewish man, I've encountered it before. It far more annoying to me for some non-jewish person to start talking about how offensive a non-offensive idea(like the word phylactery) is to Jews, than the ideas they are championing are. I just want them to stop.

I agree that is aggravating. Ultimately, it is Paizo's decision. However, they could have also as easily used examples to be clear that they were using the less frequent, but still legitimate uses of the word.

 

[Hussar]

Or, they could have done what they did, instead of trying to dance on the head of a pin, they simply changed to a word that actually means what it's supposed to mean.

Not really a bad choice.