D&D 5E 2022 WoTC Books?

[Azzy]

Gully Dwarfs and Kender or...? Honestly I'm interested to hear.

Kender, draconians, minotaur (could get reprinted, like WotC does), irda. Then there's room for subclasses like the orders of wizardry, solamnic knights, maybe an artificer subclass, etc.

No. Uh-uh. Nope. Dragonlance doesn't have particularly great stuff about war in the novels, just dragon vs. dragon combat. The actual battles are pretty vague, there's not a lot of sense of tactics or even combatants in some cases, there's no real sense of strategy and so on. It is not perfect for this. Literally any setting would be about equally suitable (DL would be more suitable for dragon-combat rules, I guess, if you wanted those).

One of the original modules used the Battlesystem rules extensively. Most of the combat was not dragon vs. dragon (until towards the end). The battles may have been vague, but that's pretty irrelevant—the fact that war is a huge part of the (WotL) story gives more than an adequate reason and excuse to address the topic ruleswise.

Yeah, and that doesn't stop the setting having to repeat all that and then cover whatever the novel doesn't cover, plus do things like shuffle Gully Dwarves under the rug.

Meh.

I don't think so. DL is sort of in the middle on my list of settings, rather than up the hated end (few official D&D settings are, and at least one of those is 5E). I've gone over this a bunch in various threads of a couple of years, but I don't see what it has to offer and no-one seems to be able to explain.

Okay.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Except the ones that aren't. Also, Dragonlance is perfect for mass battle and war-facing rules.


The novels will likely address/retcon some of the problematic issues.


Depends on the terms of their licence.


I think you're letting your dislike for the setting cloud your judgement. Time will tell. If I'm wrong, so be it.

Both Birthright and The Forgotten Realms both have long histories with mass battle and War facing rules from their beginnings.

Still IF the novels sell well, then I think we will get a Dragonlance setting book, but not next year.

Dragonlance is Tier 2 in popularity and unlike Spelljammer, it doesn't establish important multiverse rules that the designers want out there next year to help them connect the Multiverse of Settings together.

 

[GreyLord]

Hasbro now runs crowdfunding to finance their regular business activities?

Well...uh...err...now that you mention it...ummm...sort of...sometimes...maybe...sort of in a way...

hasbropulse

Sometimes you buy it straight up, sometimes you support it till it comes out...so...sort of?

Edit: This should be a lesson to me to read the entire thread BEFORE responding...I was already beaten to the punch...apropos credit to GrokMonkey who posted this far before I posted anything.

This is trending off-topic, but they do have a self-described crowdfunding platform where they'll produce stuff if it gets enough preorder commitments. So far it's almost entirely just been some collectibles, but the process is actually how the new HeroQuest boardgame release happened.

 

[Marandahir]

I’ve said before but Candlekeep and Witchlight while interesting enough experiments in their own right, were too great a departure from what I want from an RPG. Particularly on the back of Avernus and Rime.

For adventure books, I really hope they rein it in a bit, take stock and go back to some tighter narratives. I want to get to know an area and the people inside it with more detail, rather than going on jaunts through hell, the fae realms, the frozen wastes, or 20 different places.

Episodic content is fine, but I don’t want to feel like I’m playing the D&D equivalent of Quantum Leap!

Funny you should say that… I thought those two books in particular were Pelorramm near perfect

 

[teitan]

Well actually we do know at least one of them is Spelljammer thanks to the UA, the other might be Darksun or Planescape.

We do not know actually, people made similar assumptions based on the UA for the Feywild and the Dragon one and the only one that was correct was Fizban's Treasury of Dragons as a Draconomicon for 5e but people were downright aggressive in places that it indicated that we were getting Dragonlance with that UA and the new novel that was delayed over a year that was originally scheduled for this past summer. What we do know is that some races appeared that could be tied to Spelljammer but also Planescape and Star Frontiers. We saw a cover with Boo but Boo isn't tied to Spelljammer beyond Minsc saying he was a Giant Space Hamster that got shrunk but he was never a part of that setting and with BG3 coming could be a tie in product to that game such as an adventure that the artwork was indicating. Possible? Yep. Likely? Probably not the same as the original setting but definitely possible that a new take is coming that is imagined along the lines of Ravenloft was re-imagined than the original take. Similarly my opinion with Planescape with Sigil as the focus, the Great Wheel and then... a big thing on making your own planes in the multiverse. I don't think we will see Dark Sun now. That was Mearls' baby and he has bigger fish to fry now running the overall IP but who knows. If anything I think it will be Dragonlance or Greyhawk.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

We do not know actually, people made similar assumptions based on the UA for the Feywild and the Dragon one and the only one that was correct was Fizban's Treasury of Dragons as a Draconomicon for 5e but people were downright aggressive in places that it indicated that we were getting Dragonlance with that UA and the new novel that was delayed over a year that was originally scheduled for this past summer. What we do know is that some races appeared that could be tied to Spelljammer but also Planescape and Star Frontiers. We saw a cover with Boo but Boo isn't tied to Spelljammer beyond Minsc saying he was a Giant Space Hamster that got shrunk but he was never a part of that setting and with BG3 coming could be a tie in product to that game such as an adventure that the artwork was indicating. Possible? Yep. Likely? Probably not the same as the original setting but definitely possible that a new take is coming that is imagined along the lines of Ravenloft was re-imagined than the original take. Similarly my opinion with Planescape with Sigil as the focus, the Great Wheel and then... a big thing on making your own planes in the multiverse. I don't think we will see Dark Sun now. That was Mearls' baby and he has bigger fish to fry now running the overall IP but who knows. If anything I think it will be Dragonlance or Greyhawk.

The Dragonlance guess was always weak, based on flimsy logic, the races and subclasses were vaguely Dragon themed, that's it, but none of it actually resembled anything in Dragonlance, the Dragonborn races were very different from Draconians for example.

On the other hand the Spelljammer UA was NOT vague, it's was blatantly Spelljammer. Uniquely Spelljammer races, that don't appear in any other setting (except FR, and rarely then, but still it's FR, even a MtG creature ended up in FR LMFAO, it's the borg of settings), with the possible exception of the Astral Elf which I'm pretty sure was intended for a different book and the Thrikreen, which could be Spelljammer, but just as like could have been snuck in for Darksun later on.

Like it's not even a question as far as I'm concerned about Spelljammer in 2022.

And Star Fromtiers isn't even D&D.

 

[teitan]

The Dragonlance guess was always weak, based on flimsy logic, the races and subclasses were vaguely Dragon themed, that's it, but none of it actually resembled anything in Dragonlance, the Dragonborn races were very different from Draconians for example.

On the other hand the Spelljammer UA was NOT vague, it's was blatantly Spelljammer. Uniquely Spelljammer races, that don't appear in any other setting (except FR, and rarely then, but still it's FR, even a MtG creature ended up in FR LMFAO, it's the borg of settings), with the possible exception of the Astral Elf which I'm pretty sure was intended for a different book and the Thrikreen, which could be Spelljammer, but just as like could have been snuck in for Darksun later on.

Like it's not even a question as far as I'm concerned about Spelljammer in 2022.

And Star Fromtiers isn't even D&D.

So you're not wrong but you're not right. I also didn't say not happening either. I said a good possibility but let's not count the chickens. It could very well be a book on the MULTIVERSE that smashes together Planescape and Spelljammer like so many have speculated with Spelljammer being the ships and consolidating two ideas for travelling between worlds into one cohesive setting. I used to be one of those adamant they wouldn't do such a thing but following on from Ravenloft I would not be surprised if it isn't a "Such and Such's Guide to the Multiverse" and cover Sigil, the planes, crystal spheres in the prime and Spelljamming rules for traveling between the spheres and the planes via the astral.

And yes, I know Star Frontiers isn't D&D but some of the races were converted to D&D and they have a "new" setting planned for next year that could very well be a Science Fantasy setting using Star Frontiers as the foundation for the setting. It's kinda condescending to say "Star Frontiers" isn't even D&D. Of course it isn't D&D, it's Star Frontiers. I used to play it back in the early 90s.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

So you're not wrong but you're not right. I also didn't say not happening either. I said a good possibility but let's not count the chickens. It could very well be a book on the MULTIVERSE that smashes together Planescape and Spelljammer like so many have speculated with Spelljammer being the ships and consolidating two ideas for travelling between worlds into one cohesive setting. I used to be one of those adamant they wouldn't do such a thing but following on from Ravenloft I would not be surprised if it isn't a "Such and Such's Guide to the Multiverse" and cover Sigil, the planes, crystal spheres in the prime and Spelljamming rules for traveling between the spheres and the planes via the astral.

And yes, I know Star Frontiers isn't D&D but some of the races were converted to D&D and they have a "new" setting planned for next year that could very well be a Science Fantasy setting using Star Frontiers as the foundation for the setting. It's kinda condescending to say "Star Frontiers" isn't even D&D. Of course it isn't D&D, it's Star Frontiers. I used to play it back in the early 90s.

I would count Planesjammer as Spelljammer for the purposes of this conversation.

Your the one who suggested Star Frontiers.

 

[teitan]

I would count Planesjammer as Spelljammer for the purposes of this conversation.

Your the one who suggested Star Frontiers.

So now you're just being argumentative as I never denied I suggested Star Frontiers nor did I suggest that you suggested Star Frontiers. In fact I was explaining why I said Star Frontiers after you said "Star Frontiers is not D&D" and acknowledging, yes I am fully aware it is not D&D but those races could be there are part of a new setting that takes inspiration from... Star Frontiers. So I am sitting here, wondering where the disconnect occurred here because you obviously have disconnected on this somehow and are approaching some level of annoyance or hostility because I half agreed with you in an attempt to engage in a speculative discussion. I have learned from my error so I will duck out of our conversation and you have a pleasant day.

 

[darjr]

Next year is the 40th anniversary of Starfrontiers.