D&D General Should Bearded Female Dwarves be the Default?

[Oofta]

I honestly don't understand why it's a big deal. Saying "dwarven women traditionally grow beards" does not in any way prevent a player from saying "my dwarven woman goes clean-shaven". It's not like I'm saying all dwarven women have a third ear growing in the middle of their forehead. The player don't need to beg and plead to be able to decide how their character grooms themselves. It's hair. And adventurers are usually assumed to break the traditional mold to begin with.
If anything, I would assume that offering both bearded and unbearded dwarven women as normal and the default assumption would be the more inclusive option.

Depends on the imagery and audience. If you're truly trying to evoke Tolkien, I think it's more than just beards. The bearded lady from circuses of long ago was still obviously female.

If your reference point is any official D&D product from the 21st century, it would just be odd.

 

[BrokenTwin]

Depends on the imagery and audience. If you're truly trying to evoke Tolkien, I think it's more than just beards. The bearded lady from circuses of long ago was still obviously female.

If your reference point is any official D&D product from the 21st century, it would just be odd.

Honestly, my primary influence is Discworld. Tolkien factors into it, obviously, but D&D's lore has never been a factor for me in this regard.

Edit: Until reading this thread, I didn't know D&D had ever had dwarven women with beards.

 

[HammerMan]

I asked you to show proof of your hard claim about what the facts are. This response tells me that you're making unsubstantiated claims that are based on anecdotal evidence, not objective proof.

no one owes you labor or work

 

[Maxperson]

no one owes you labor or work

That's not how argument works. If you make a hard claim of fact, you have the burden of proof. I get that you can't do it and want to avoid that obligation. It's painfully clear.

 

[HammerMan]

I honestly don't understand why it's a big deal. Saying "dwarven women traditionally grow beards" does not in any way prevent a player from saying "my dwarven woman goes clean-shaven".

the problem is that a main line race needs to be able to be identified with. a non 0 amount of women have said that means to them that it is have boobs not have beards. 0 women have said having boobs or not having beards help them identify better. So in a setting that often makes it hard to be a woman why not listen to the non 0 amount of women?

 

[HammerMan]

That's not how argument works.

you don't dictacte how these boards work

If you make a hard claim of fact, you have the obligation to prove your claim.

i have no obligation to prove "100% scientificly" anything... neither are you. a Non 0 number of women have been vocal about these issues.

I get that you can't do it and want to avoid that obligation. It's painfully clear.

what is clear is you want to hide behind "If you can't prove there is a thing that can not be felt, seen or measured is there, then your argument fails" try addressing the argument.

A non 0 amount of woman have called out that they do not want a game that includes mixing male and female secondary characteristics.

 

[Maxperson]

you don't dictacte how these boards work

It's how discussion works, dude. Not just on this board, but all of them. It's called social interaction. You have the burden of proof for your claims.

a Non 0 number of women have been vocal about these issues.

Excellent. I agree with that statement. Unfortunately it's not enough to support your position that dwarven women should not have beards as the default. A non-0 number of people want AC to go away. A non-0 of people want hit points to go away. A non-0 number of people want racial stat penalties to return.

You need a LOT more than "a Non 0 number of women have been vocal about these issues."

 

[Seramus]

Should bearded male dwarves be the default?
Should bearded genderless dwarves be the default?
Should bearded elemental dwarves be the default?
Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Tonguez]

Depends on the imagery and audience. If you're truly trying to evoke Tolkien, I think it's more than just beards. The bearded lady from circuses of long ago was still obviously female..

You know there are still bearded woman around today, its not some weird historic phenomena.

one of the reasons I like female dwarf beards is that it challenges standards of feminine beauty as well as being a helpful marker that dwarfs arent human and thus don’t have the same gender dimorphism as humans.

 

[BrokenTwin]

the problem is that a main line race needs to be able to be identified with. a non 0 amount of women have said that means to them that it is have boobs not have beards. 0 women have said having boobs or not having beards help them identify better. So in a setting that often makes it hard to be a woman why not listen to the non 0 amount of women?

So your argument is that no woman could possibly identify with a woman with facial hair? That's a... bold claim.
I'm not arguing that dwarven women MUST have full beards, no exceptions, I'm arguing for the option for people who want bearded female dwarves to have them. If you want to play a beardless dwarf (male or female), play one! Why is "give us both" such a negative option for you?

If you're having a problem with a GM insisting that your dwarven woman must have a beard despite how much you dislike it, then the issue isn't with the beard, it's with the GM.