Pathfinder 1E Pathfinder Epic

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One more G, then into the Hs and Is:

Group Inspiration	Bards can now do this from level 1. Could they really not in 3.0? I had forgotten that!
Hindering Song	Became an option for Epic Performer.
Holy Strike	Epic Champion with the Good Domain is basically this.
Ignore Material Components	Dropped for now. Might come back, but if so it will probably be scaling max rather than blanket non requirement.
Improved Alignment-Based Casting	Dropped. Probably is not coming back, but I could possibly do something with caster levels.
Improved Arrow of Death	Boring numbers, plus I cannot remember what Arrow of Death comes from anyway. Dropped.
Improved Aura of Courage	Dropped for now. Could do something with Paladin's Auras, but if so it would not just be doubling the bonus.
Improved Aura of Despair	Dropped for now. Could do something with Antipaladin's Auras, but if so it would not just be doubling the bonus.
Improved Combat Casting	Dropped for now. If it comes back, it will probably not be blanket immunity.
Improved Combat Reflexes	Dropped for now. If it comes back, it will not be unlimited. (No infinite loops!) EDIT: Actually, Epic Reflexes is effectively Improved Combat Reflexes (amongst other things).

Some stuff here that could form new Legendary feats, or even the basis of Epic.

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Lots of Is:

Improved Darkvision	Dropped for now. Does not exactly feel Epic to me!
Improved Death Attack	Dropped for now. If it comes back, it would probably be merged with the Arrow of Death one above somehow.
Improved Elemental Wild Shape	Depending on how you read "all elemental creatures" (if we take it literally, dragons have elemental subtypes which would make Dragon Wild Shape pointless) this may or may not be mostly built in to PF1 Druids. To the extent that it isn't, it is mostly rolled into Over/Undersize Wild Shape.
Improved Favoured Enemy	Boring numbers. Dropped.
Improved Heighten Spell	Feat tax. Should be built into Epic Spellcaster and/or 10th Level Spell Capacity, although it isn't at the moment bacause I forgot Heighten Spell was capped at 9.
Improved Ki Strike	Irrelevant in PF1. Dropped.
Improved Low Light Vision	Dropped for now. Feels even less Epic than Improved Darkvision
Improved Manifestation	Dropped. Tweaks in either 3.5 or PF1 made it irrelevant.
Improved Manyshot	Dropped. Manyshot is different in PF1 anyway.
Improved Metamagic	Dropped for now. Not sure how necessary this is given how Epic Spellcaster works now (and the two together might be broken).

I could maybe do something with Improved Elemental Widshape if I could think of a clean way to limit it to "elemental" creatures that do not have the Elemental subtype, like Salamanders without including everything with an Earth, Air, Fire, or Water subtype. Aside from that:

• Adjust Epic Spellcaster and 10th-level Spell Capacity to fix the 9th-level cap on Heighten Spell.

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Where was I? Oh yes, in the midst of a great sea of "I" feats:

Improved Sneak Attack	Dropped. If you want more sneak attack, take levels in another class that grants using Epic Class Training
Improved Spell Capacity	As a means of getting access to higher-level spell slots, this was effectively replaced by Epic Spellcaster. Although Epic Spellcaster does not actually increase the number of spells slots, so there might be some mileage there.
Improved Spell Resistance	Dropped. Boring numbers.
Improved Stunning Fist	Dropped. Boring numbers.
Improved Whirlwind Attack	Built into the PF1 version of Whirlwind Attack from the start. Although Epic Multi-Attack includes something akin to an improved Whirlwind Attack
Incite Rage	Became a rage power accessed via Epic Rage
Infinite Deflection	Dropped for now. Might come back in some form, but I am wary of infinite anything, even at Epic levels.
Inspire Excellence	Currently dropped, but probably should be rolled into Epic Performer as a performance.
Instant Reload	This is possible pre-Epic in PF1 for any weapon for which it is even vaguely plausible - and for those where it isn't I would rather make not full attacking less punitive, rather than make full attacking easier.
Intensify Spell	Renamed Magnify Spell to avoid confusion with Intensified Spell. Minor tweaks.

For the to-do list:

• Consider a Legendary upgrade of Deflect Arrows.
• Consider an Improved Spell Capacity feat that gives more spell slots (but not higher level).
• Roll Inspire Excellence into Epic Performer.
• Maybe do something more to encourage single attacks (beyond what is in Epic Warrior).

And that is it for "I". Next time we do the only K and then on to the Ls.

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Keen Strike	Since keen and Improved Critical no longer stack, this feat is effectively identical to Improved Crit (unarmed strike). Which is a prereq. Dropped.
Lasting Inspiration	Dropped for now. Could maybe return as an upgraded version of Lingering Performance
Legendary Climber	Dropped. Everyone can fly!
Legendary Leaper	Dropped. Everyone can fly!
Legendary Rider	Dropped for now, but I can maybe see something for mounted combat (other than what's in Epic Companion).
Legendary Tracker	Not sure. I feel like if you can hit DC 120 to track something, you probably should not have to spend a feat as well. Dropped for now.
Legendary Wrestler	Dropped for now. I could see something helping to get out of grapples, but an effective +10 attack bonus for getting into them is wonky.
Lingering Damage	Unchained Rogues already do stuff like this. Dropped.
Magical Beast Wild Shape	Included. Minor tweaks.
Master Staff & Master Wand	Not sure about this - potentially very powerful, but we are talking about Epic levels. Dropped for now.

• Consider what to do with Lasting Inspiration, Legendary Tracker, and Legendary Wrestler.
• FIgure out Master Staff and Master Wand.

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The next ten (and also wow, there are a lot of feats in the ELH):

Mighty Rage	Became a standard feature of Barbarians in PF1
Mobile Defence	Not worth a feat IMO. If I brought it back, I might just add it to Bulwark fo Defence
Multispell	Caster supremacy at its finest. Dropped.
Multiweapon Rend	Pretty sure this is a normal feat in PF1.
Music of the Gods	There are various ways to do this pre-Epic in PF1, but most are more specific than this. Could be reinstated, but the name suggests a divine component.
Negative Energy Burst	SOP for PF1 clerics
Overwhelming Critical	Kinda rolled into Epic Criticals (although the specifics are different).
Penetrate Damage Reduction	Dropped for now. Would need tweaks to work with PF1 damage reduction.
Perfect Health	Rolled into Epic Fortitude
Perfect Multiweapon Fighting	Dropped for now. Presumably it would be upgraded in a similar way to Epic TWF if included.

• Possibly add Mobile Defence into Bulwark of Defence.
• Figure out what, if anything, to do with Music of the Gods.
• Adjust Penetrate Damage Reduction to work with PF1.

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Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting	Expanded into an Epic feat
Permanent Emanation	Dropped for now. Could come back, but if so probably needs a bit more explanation on how it works with detect spells.
Planar Turning	Effectively already exists (in pathfinderised form) in the Alignment Channel pre-Epic feat
Plant Wild Shape	Built in to PF1 Druids
Polyglot	Dropped for now. It kinda feels a bit much, but realistically it is only the Tongues spell in (Ex) form
Positive Energy Aura	Dropped for now. The flavour actually seems more appropriate to PF1 channeling mechanics than to turning, but would need a bit of mechanical tweaking to work.
Ranged Inspiration	Possibly useful, but hardly seems Epic. I would not be surprised with there were an Epic feat that already did this. Dropped for now.
Rapid Inspiration	They're already a standard action or better in PF1. What dd they take in 3.0?
Reactive Countersong	Should probably be rolled into Epic Performer
Reflect Arrows	Dropped for now. If it came back, I might want to merge the various deflect/reflect feats into some kind of Epic Deflection.

If I had realised when I started this list quite how much time and how many posts it would take, I might not have started. But we can see the light at the end of the tunnel: Three more pages, and probably about the same number of posts and I will be done. And it has brought up some useful food for thought. In this case:

• Bring back and tweak Permanent Emanation and Polyglot.
• Either bring back Positive Energy Aura or roll it into a broader Epic Channeller feat.
• Roll Reactive Countersong into Epic Performer (possibly as a synergy entry).
• Either bring back Reflect Arrows or roll it into a broader Epic Reflection feat.

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I had hoped to get this phase of the thread wrapped up by now, but I got distracted by other homebrew (one of my players wants to play one of my hombrew classes, which lead me to realise that there were a couple of gaps in the writeup). Anyway, continuing with the ELH feats:

Ruinous Rage	Became a Rage Power accessed via Epic Rage
Scribe Epic Scroll	Rolled into Epic Crafter
Self-Concealment	Kinda rolled into Blinding Speed
Shattering Strike	Dropped for now. Could become part of an Epic feat focussed on unarmed strikes (since Epic Martial Arts is mostly about weapons).
Sneak Attack of Opportunity	Dropped for now, but I could see it coming back as a Legendary feat (with tweaked prereqs). Or maybe as part of an AoO-themed Epic feat.
Spectral Strike	Dropped for now, but I could see it coming back as a Legendary feat (with tweaked prereqs).
Spell Knowledge	For some reason (which I cannot now remember), I renamed it Expanded Spell Knowledge.
Spell Opportunity	Dropped for now, but I could see it coming back as a Legendary feat (with tweaked prereqs). Or maybe as part of an AoO-themed Epic feat.
Spell Stowaway	Dropped for now, although this is a fun one so it is definitely coming back in some form. Although I think it needs a bit more definition than the ELH version
Spellcasting Harrier	Dropped for now, but I could see it coming back as a Legendary feat (with tweaked prereqs). EDIT: Actually, it is pretty-much just Disruptive, so it will stay dropped.

So distilling that to a to-do list:

• Maybe figure out and Epic IUS feat
• Figure out whether Shattering Strike is part of that or its own thing.
• Bring back SA of Opportunity & Spell Opportunity, or roll them into an Epic feat.
• Bring back Spectral Strike, Spell Stowaway, and Spellcasting Harrier

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Spontaneous Domain Access	Rolled into Epic Divinate
Spontaneous Spell	Dropped for now, but I could see it coming back as a Legendary feat (with tweaked prereqs).
Storm of Throws	Rolled into Epic Multi-Attack
Superior Initiative	Borring numbers. Dropped.
Swarm of Arrows	Rolled into Epic Multi-Attack
Tenacious Magic	Dropped for now, but I could see it coming back as a Legendary feat (with tweaked prereqs).
Terrifying Rage	Made a Rage Power, accessed via Epic Rage
Thundering Rage	Made a Rage Power, accessed via Epic Rage
Trap Sense	Dropped due to being annoying and not particularly Epic
Two-Weapon Rend	Pre-Epic feat in PF1

Only one thing from that list, although in the process of checking on what feat Spontaneous Domain Access was rolled into I spotted another error:

• Fix the reference to Epic Divinate in the Donor Class section. It should say Epic Votary (or Epic Theurge but probably Epic Votary).
• Bring back Tenacious Magic.

And that is almost it. Eight more ELH Epic feats to go, and I will finally be done with this run-though. Then time to start addressing the massive aggregate to-do list I have built up.

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And that is almost it. Eight more ELH Epic feats to go, and I will finally be done with this run-though. Then time to start addressing the massive aggregate to-do list I have built up.

Uncanny Accuracy	Pre-Epic feat in PF1 (Improved Precise Shot)
Undead Mastery	Dropped for now, but I could see it coming back as a Legendary feat (with tweaked prereqs). Or maybe as part of a undead-themed Epic feat.
Unholy Strike	Epic Champion with the Evil Domain is basically this.
Vermin Wild Shape	Some Druid Archetypes can do this pre-Epic, which may have been why I did not include it already, but if Epic non-archetyped druids can be dragons, I don't see why they cannot be creepy crawlies.
Vorpal Strike	Not sure about this one. I need more Epic feats for martials, and this feels like it could be one of them - although it might be a bit narrow.
Widen Aura of Courage/Despair	Pretty sure these are pre-Epic feats in PF1.
Zone of Animation	Dropped for now, but I could see it coming back as a Legendary feat (with tweaked prereqs). Or maybe as part of a undead-themed Epic feat.

And that's it - there are ten non-Epic feats at the end of the chapter, but I am pretty sure they are core in PF1 (or 3.5 for that matter). So the final installment of the to-do list for this phase of the thread looks like this:

• Figure out what to do with Undead Mastery/Zone of Animation.
• Figure of what to do with Vorpal Strike.

This last sequence of posts have given me lots of food for thought! I think I am going to tackle the ones that are coming back as Legendary feats first, then circle back to the possible new Epic feats. But before any of that I need to do some actual work....

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I am working my way through ticking of at least some of the many to-do list items (and other random things that sparked off them, as is my way). I will post the next draft hopefull this evening or tomorrow, but in the meantime a questions for the thread: Is anyone aware of a way (or ways) to "dual-wield" wands in PF1 or 3.x?

I vaguely saw seeing something to that effect, but I cannot remember where!

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