D&D 5E Is 5E Special

[Parmandur]

I know five who were just fine.

Beyond anecdotes, the data suggests that the "kids these days" are picking up the game fine. And my observations suggest thst is because of the system, not in spite of the system.

 

[Parmandur]

If you were yelling power names like a DBZ character, that is entirely on you, not the system.

Also, to be fair, that Anime trope of yelling power names actually comes from how Japanese D&D players interpreted vocal components in spell casting.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

If you were yelling power names like a DBZ character, that is entirely on you, not the system.

Yes. This is right. But we just couldn't help it. So we were glad it went mostly away with essentials.

 

[Minigiant]

I know five who were just fine.

Did they play straight out the box 5e or did they "I didn't like this as a player so I'm going to change it"?

Because I saw the latter screw up the game with the DM being to inexperienced to fix it. That's before favoritism, railroading, and bad encounter/adventure/campaign design.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Did they play straight out the box 5e or did they "I didn't like this as a player so I'm going to change it"?

Because I saw the latter screw up the game with the DM being to inexperienced to fix it. That's before favoritism, railroading, and bad encounter/adventure/campaign design.

Straight out of the box. Because they liked it.
One did it straight out of the box, before he even played it once as a player and it was totally ok. (He came from pre 3e DnD).

Edit: all the things you mentioned are system agnostic.

 

[Parmandur]

Did they play straight out the box 5e or did they "I didn't like this as a player so I'm going to change it"?

Because I saw the latter screw up the game with the DM being to inexperienced to fix it. That's before favoritism, railroading, and bad encounter/adventure/campaign design.

I mean, going off half-cocked and trying to fix a system can go sideways, yes.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I mean, going off half-cocked and trying to fix a system can go sideways, yes.

I also must say, that the DMs I played with did not take over because they did not like how I handled 5e. They took over because I had some time restraints and so I failed to deliver on the story side a bit.

Right now I do DM 5e Zeitgeist adventure path. It has some little added variant rules, but intrigue and investigation works perfectly fine with 5e, so it is an absolute blast. So thanks @Morrus.

 

[Warpiglet-7]

I bolded the important parts

Well, if the insinuation is we are biased, who isn’t?

That not what made this game popular and the things we liked apparently a lot of others did too. Ease of play! Choices!

 

[Minigiant]

Straight out of the box. Because they liked it.
One did it straight out of the box, before he even played it once as a player and it was totally ok. (He came from pre 3e DnD).

Edit: all the things you mentioned are system agnostic.

One thought too many things used bonus actions, so he let a lot of things happen for free once a turn. Guess what happened.

Another thought too many things used concentration. Guess what happened.

"Warriors aren't cool enough." Fighters and Babrarians... i think... +30 feet walking speed, expertise on attacks, and add prof to AC and ad all physical saves

"2 free feats fr everyone. No restrictions" Guess what happened.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Yes. This is right. But we just couldn't help it. So we were glad it went mostly away with essentials.

It just seemed odd to me to say it as a criticism of the game itself.

That, combined with the talk of powers like they’re “buttons”, etc, comes across like a repetition of the worst arguments about 4e when it was in publication.

I mean, going off half-cocked and trying to fix a system can go sideways, yes.

IME 5e stands up to that sort of thing a lot better previous wotc D&D editions. My memory of 2e is hazy, and I have only read older editions.

Besides, “DMs are more willing to employ houserules and allow homebrew” is a plus, not a problem.