D&D (2024) First playtest thread! One D&D Character Origins.

[JEB]

If they are committed to the coexistence of both phb, they will certainly allow to use both in AL and other official events.

I really, really don't think they are committed to both phb. I think they want to change the game, and are seeing how far they can take it. If they don't expect most people to use the 2024 edition and DDB when the time comes I will be very surprised.

I do wonder about this too... in 2024+ can I walk into those cons and play AL with the not updated not errata 2014phb

In 2024 - probably yes. In 2025 - probably no. Okay they’re be a transition period but I suspect AL will want to switch to the new rules.

DDAL policy is to use the current rules, so I assume it'll be 2024 or nothing once the new core is out. Note it didn't take them very long to require folks to update characters to match MOTM (though they did recommend "patience").

 

[EzekielRaiden]

this doesn’t follow. The sidebar clarifies that you have to choose which source to take your ASI from if playing a new origin writeup. That’s it. You can literally play a PHB Hill Dwarf with new style custom background, in a game wherein Tasha’s options are live, no adjustments needed. The PC playing the older race just has to choose whether to keep their OG ASIs, or choose them freely instead.

You are speaking of exactly what I was talking about though. A character with a new-style background using the older options for races or the like. Playing someone with an old-style background is deprecated, doubly so if playing with a new-style race because then you wouldn't get any starting ability bonuses at all.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

So they are really forcing inspiration at this point. I guess they didn't like how little folks used it before.

I'm fine with inspiration, but it just didn't take hold of the audience. The fact that they're forcing it to be more important tells me they do have their own design agenda, at least in part. I respect them standing up for something they believe in at least.

So negative. An alternative view is that they realize how badly designed it was in o5e and decided to give more circumstances of it coming up and more utility to the feature to make the part of the game actually worthwhile.

"Making a poorly designed mechanic better is an agenda to force the mechanic down my throat" WotC really can't win these days, can they?

 

[Parmandur]

You are speaking of exactly what I was talking about though. A character with a new-style background using the older options for races or the like. Playing someone with an old-style background is deprecated, doubly so if playing with a new-style race because then you wouldn't get any starting ability bonuses at all.

Somewhat: "take a free 1st Level Feat" is a mighty easy fix, and that's all that the old Backgrounds lack.

 

[SakanaSensei]

So negative. An alternative view is that they realize how badly designed it was in o5e and decided to give more circumstances of it coming up and more utility to the feature to make the part of the game actually worthwhile.

"Making a poorly designed mechanic better is an agenda to force the mechanic down my throat" WotC really can't win these days, can they?

So negative. An alternative view is that they realize how badly designed it was in o5e and decided to give more circumstances of it coming up and more utility to the feature to make the part of the game actually worthwhile.

"Making a poorly designed mechanic better is an agenda to force the mechanic down my throat" WotC really can't win these days, can they?

Please understand, when A5E adds mechanics that make inspiration reliably gained or allows for stat boosts to come from things other than race, it’s good. When WotC does it, it’s shoving mechanics down everyone’s throats.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

Somewhat: "take a free 1st Level Feat" is a mighty easy fix, and that's all that the old Backgrounds lack.

Sure, but (again...) that's a pretty clear break from "you can literally use totally, absolutely, 100% unaltered PHB options," which is what numerous people were specifically saying 5.5e would be. "D1D" (or whatever we choose to call it) is not "small tweaks and class errata." It is, in fact, changing some fundamental level stuff. You will be expected to either adapt old content to match the new rules, or expected to not use that old content in the first place. Which is the whole point I've been making, restated several times, and people keep pushing back on it while implicitly saying things that agree with it...

 

[Parmandur]

Sure, but (again...) that's a pretty clear break from "you can literally use totally, absolutely, 100% unaltered PHB options," which is what numerous people were specifically saying 5.5e would be. "D1D" (or whatever we choose to call it) is not "small tweaks and class errata." It is, in fact, changing some fundamental level stuff. You will be expected to either adapt old content to match the new rules, or expected to not use that old content in the first place. Which is the whole point I've been making, restated several times, and people keep pushing back on it while implicitly saying things that agree with it...

It's really not that big a deal?

 

[EzekielRaiden]

It's really not that big a deal?

Given the backlash already seen from some people on this forum, I beg to differ.

By which I mean, I agree with you, but there are several users on this forum who not only disagree, but disagree most vehemently. These changes are roughly in line with the amount of alteration I was expecting from "5.5e." They are not what a certain slice of the canvass expected, and that slice is more than a little unhappy. Some of them appear outright angry. I don't think those people are a majority by any means (and it seems many of them don't think they are either), but they exist, and the point still stands that "5.5e" is not the "tiny incremental updates and integrated errata" edition but rather a genuine "we want to modify the rules a fairly hefty amount" revision.

 

[Parmandur]

Given the backlash already seen from some people on this forum, I beg to differ.

By which I mean, I agree with you, but there are several users on this forum who not only disagree, but disagree most vehemently. These changes are roughly in line with the amount of alteration I was expecting from "5.5e." They are not what a certain slice of the canvass expected, and that slice is more than a little unhappy. Some of them appear outright angry. I don't think those people are a majority by any means (and it seems many of them don't think they are either), but they exist, and the point still stands that "5.5e" is not the "tiny incremental updates and integrated errata" edition but rather a genuine "we want to modify the rules a fairly hefty amount" revision.

Yes, it is a hefty revision, but mixing with base 5E material, like if someone wants to play a Half-Drow from SCAG say, is easy-peasy lemon squeeze. WotC really is bending over backwards to have their cake and ear it, too...and they may just pull it off

 

[doctorbadwolf]

You are speaking of exactly what I was talking about though. A character with a new-style background using the older options for races or the like. Playing someone with an old-style background is deprecated, doubly so if playing with a new-style race because then you wouldn't get any starting ability bonuses at all.

Yes, you would. You’d just choose them, using the rules for floating ASIs.

I’m not sure about how you’re using deprecated, here, but I would guess you mean that it loses comparative value? In which case, you literally just give each PC with a pre-2024 background a level 1 feat.