D&D 5E When lore and PC options collide…

[GMforPowergamers]

Does anyone actually think anyone being this combative, not to mention derogatory, to the opposite side will contribute a single iota of productivity to this thread? The poll is a personal preference question, and not something with any sort of objective answer.

no I don't... TBH I think that this has gone way too far into the tribalism of edition wars, social skills, if a player can ask for a skill, if a player can add to a game world, if a DM is a type of player or above the players, and I am sure I am forgetting a dozen other arguments enworld is now famus for that basicly turn into unhelpful arguments were both sides are trying to score points...

but I feel insulted, I am sure at least 1 poster feels I have BEEN insulting, and as you say we have all not argued against each other so long that we are all dug in... that is the way it works...
Even when I take 48 hours away I come back to dozens of tags on posts like this. So if I left today for a vacation I would just come back to being in the same place I am not (feeling attacked and persecuted and like i need to defend myself) and the other side of the argument I am 100% sure feels the same (at least most are in good faith sure there may be a troll or two on each side)

but we broke ALL the rules long ago... we use insults we make thigns personal we put words in peoples mouths and I don't know how to stop the cycle...

The hyperbole, the insults, the putting words in peoples' mouths, the refusal to look at posts in good faith and with the benefit of the doubt, is it worth it? What's the point?

TBH the point was lost days ago. But like I keep saying I post on here 10 positive things I love about gaming and lore and get 1 or 2 responses... I post in this argument and have 3 tags before I hit post.

edit: when I typed this 2 people had already responded to other things and tagged me not 3 just to keep the record straight... still nothing on death dragons, soth, disintigration swords, funny stories though

 

[GMforPowergamers]

No you don't. It's no more needed than the DMG or Monster Manual.

okay show me where we get the rules for conditions, spells, multi class, heck just how to make a character

All the rules needed to play are available via free download.

hey look part of the PHB... that needs to be searched and downloaded...

No one had a 5e PHB when our group started. Now, about half the group have one. It's an optional extra like all the other books.

it is the base rule book

 

[Xamnam]

It's a bummer. I know you and I land on different sides of this debate, but I really don't care for the frequent mischaracterization of your posts, or the insults you've received by proxy. I really try to apologize if I misunderstand something, or respond in a way that misses their point.

 

[HaroldTheHobbit]

This isn't really a problem since I have a permanent table of players, and I present campaigns that both they and I find interesting, and if not we talk about modifikations to make the campaign. But there are almost always character restrictions in play, that's kind of a given, no matter what game system we use.

Maybe it's a thing nowadays with the explosion of young and new players with very different expectations. But if you present a character concept that are diametral from the campaign expectations, I will just say no. And I'm sure a creative player can make a fun and interesting character concept within any campaign restriction frames. At least that's what I as a perma-GM expect from a player at my table.

 

[Xamnam]

okay show me where we get the rules for conditions, spells, multi class, heck just how to make a character

hey look part of the PHB... that needs to be searched and downloaded...

it is the base rule book

I actually did just look this up. To my surprise, the free basic rules available on WotC's website only include:

 

[Paul Farquhar]

okay show me where we get the rules for conditions, spells, multi class, heck just how to make a character

https://media.wizards.com/2018/dnd/downloads/DnD_BasicRules_2018.pdf

Multi-classing is an optional rule. You don't need it.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

This isn't really a problem since I have a permanent table of players, and I present campaigns that both they and I find interesting, and if not we talk about modifications to make the campaign. But there are almost always character restrictions in play, that's kind of a given, no matter what game system we use.

that is y experience too

 

[reelo]

Which is why when you host a dinner party and a guest brings pie , you prevent the person and the other guests from having any because you don’t like pie.

My wife is Algerian: if she invites people for a North-African dinner and she's spent a whole day in the kitchen preparing an entire panoply of snacks, dishes, and beverages from back home, and one of the guests brings his leftover tuna-casserole, there's gonna be weird looks to say the very least!

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I actually did just look this up. To my surprise, the free basic rules available on WotC's website only include:
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and no halfing or clerics were two examples so this still falls apart

 

[Velderan]

I actually did just look this up. To my surprise, the free basic rules available on WotC's website only include:
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https://media.wizards.com/2018/dnd/downloads/DnD_BasicRules_2018.pdf

Multi-classing is an optional rule. You don't need it.

That's pretty barebones compared to what D&D Beyond gives away in their basic rules free material.