D&D (2024) What new jargon do you want to replace "Race"?

[UngeheuerLich]

Do you really think WotC is going to put a great deal of thought into this? They basically cut and pasted a new term.

Actually yes. They wrote how they adress it. They did not do a knee jerk reaction and just change the word to just something.
They contacted different people of many cultures and tried to find a neutral word. They proposed one and actually asked us specifically what we think about it...

Of that is not giving thought, what is?

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Did I not say, "they were changed in 5e"?

As I remember they started out as humanoids in the MM and only changed their type later...

yes, checked it.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I don't know, but since they are doing a public statement about dropping race for species (instead of just quietly changing a term they no longer like for another), I think they should be expected to do it right. Just making a global replace of race by species and saying everything is well won't work. I hope they'll be called out for it MORE after they make the change than before

To be fair, there was no way they could make a change like that without issuing a statement. It doesn't really indicate a desire or intention to do more than that.

 

[Micah Sweet]

As I remember they started out as humanoids in the MM and only changed their type later...

yes, checked it.

Fair enough. Going the exact opposite direction, by the way, from people who want gnolls to be a playable heritage, like they were in earlier editions.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Fair enough. Going the exact opposite direction, by the way, from people who want gnolls to be a playable heritage, like they were in earlier editions.

Also fine. As I said: if you want gnolls to be a species that has all kinds of people and are free to live as they wish. Fine.

With the lore and background of 5e, with no choice to be not evil. Monstrosity.

 

[Frozen_Heart]

I don't know, but since they are doing a public statement about dropping race for species (instead of just quietly changing a term they no longer like for another), I think they should be expected to do it right. Just making a global replace of race by species and saying everything is well won't work. I hope they'll be called out for it MORE after they make the change than before.

Yeah lets not use the find and replace function thanks. WotC learnt this the hard way before!

I don't want to hear the story: The Species Between the Tortoise and the Hare.

 

[Irlo]

Yeah lets not use the find and replace function thanks. WotC learnt this the hard way before!

I don't want to hear the story: The Species Between the Tortoise and the Hare.

You don't want to hear about my custom lineage haregon-tortle warlock-monk? She's darn kewl!

 

[Scott Christian]

I think this is kinda covered by the baseline assumption that the DM can decide what character options are or aren’t available in a campaign. That said, I don’t think including that verbiage explicitly would hurt anything.

Haha. Baseline assumption. That is hilarious.

Not making fun of you, just the fact that table's, communities and views can be so varied.

 

[Charlaquin]

Haha. Baseline assumption. That is hilarious.

Not making fun of you, just the fact that table's, communities and views can be so varied.

I mean, that’s how the game works.

 

[Scott Christian]

Yeah I'm not a fan of the 'inherently evil' thing. Unless it's outer plane related creatures.

There is an alternate side to this. That something can be "inherently evil." And I am going to use the most hated words for anyone that debates verisimilitude or flying dragons ( @Vaalingrade ) or anything else in the game - because magic.

If magic can be the rule of thumb for so many of the debates on here, why can't it be the rule of thumb for an "inherently evil" species?

I am not saying I am in favor of this. But it seems hypocritical to disregard a god's will, a lich's curse, or even ancestral magic that's tainted, ie. feywild-shadowfell, seelie-unseelie court, hellish planes, demons, etc. If one can make an army of evil bone devils, why can't they have the power to make an army of something on the material plane?

Just a thought.