New OGL - what would be acceptable? (+)

[Ruin Explorer]

thank you for providing an example... lets MATH...

$1,237,197
the first 750,000 is free so
$487,197 is going to be the 20%

let me google what kickstarter takes looks like 5%

so already kickstarter take $61,860
bringing this to $1,175,337
then WotC would take 20% or $97,440
bringing us down to $1,077,897

I sure hope that would be calculated into each pledge.

Kickstarter takes 5%?

Oh my god so that's WHY they got the 5% break!

Because otherwise it'd be like, 25% of revenue if you just sell stuff, but 30% (total) if you use Kickstarter, but with the 5% cut, it's 25% of revenue in either situation. So that's really just Kickstarter just preventing themselves becoming the worse option lol.

Fascinating and potentially puts limits on what WotC might consider acceptable if they've contracted Kickstarter to always take 5% flat less than the general royalty.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Kickstarter takes 5%?

Oh my god so that's WHY they got the 5% break!

Because otherwise it'd be like, 25% of revenue if you just sell stuff, but 30% (total) if you use Kickstarter, but with the 5% cut, it's 25% of revenue in either situation. So that's really just Kickstarter just preventing themselves becoming the worse option lol.

Fascinating and potentially puts limits on what WotC might consider acceptable if they've contracted Kickstarter to always take 5% flat less than the general royalty.

TBF 5% is WAY MORE Reasonable then 20% or 25%

 

[mamba]

Kickstarter takes 5%?

Oh my god so that's WHY they got the 5% break!

Because otherwise it'd be like, 25% of revenue if you just sell stuff, but 30% (total) if you use Kickstarter, but with the 5% cut, it's 25% of revenue in either situation. So that's really just Kickstarter just preventing themselves becoming the worse option lol.

How would that make them the worse option ? Everyone else also takes some % and usually not a lot less either. What it does is make them the best option, whether that was the reason or not.

 

[Greg Benage]

TBF 5% is WAY MORE Reasonable then 20% or 25%

One is intended to make money and the other is intended to force larger publishers to the table for a conventional license agreement.

 

[Lanefan]

Which is why the scheme I offered up sets 3e, 3.5e and 5e off to the side. If they pull the rug out from under OneD&D... I don't know that I care. I still have 5e.

Where do 0e-1e-2e fit in all this?

 

[mamba]

Where do 0e-1e-2e fit in all this?

They had no SRDs, so there is nothing to update. All OSR games derive from 3e

 

[Ruin Explorer]

How would that make them the worse option ? Everyone else also takes some % and usually not a lot less either. What it does is make them the best option, whether that was the reason or not.

I don't mean "compared to other Kickstarter-type platforms", I mean "compared to selling directly to buyers". There aren't many companies in a situation where they practically can do that, but if you were looking at a 30% fee on Kickstarter and only 25% if you managed to move as much material via you own selling site, you'd definitely have to think about.

But yes, you're right to add that this clearly pushes Kickstarter into the "best option", because even if another platform only takes 2%, that's a total of 27% revenue gone.

One is intended to make money and the other is intended to force larger publishers to the table for a conventional license agreement.

Yup.

 

[Reynard]

To be honest? If the only difference between the old OGL and the new was royalties (fair royalties, that is), I would support it.
I know it may sound harsh to some people, but the way Pathfinder exploited third edition D&D to actively compete against 4e while paying no royalties whatsoever to the IP owners always seemed a bit...unfair to me.

That was the OGL working precisely as intended.

 

[FrogReaver]

TBF 5% is WAY MORE Reasonable then 20% or 25%

5% for a million comes to 50,000
25% on over 750,000 for a million comes to 62,500

As long as you are around a million it's closed to 5% of total. So reasonable there. It's just it scales much higher much faster if you go over 1,000,000.

 

[FrogReaver]

That was the OGL working precisely as intended.

Also, it was nice someone could keep a 3.5e style game alive for the 3.5e fans since WOTC had no desire to do so once 4e was released.