once again, they are the changes you don't care about....
I mean, I care about those changes, but those changes are utterly meaningless given WOTC's ability to completely terminate the new OGL with their morality clause.
that isn't MY biggest chip.... mine is our money.
Not really, though? Once they've destroyed the original OGL, you can't get it back. They've gotten what they want. You've basically lost.
don't care as long as we get open content to keep working... and this seems to be it. (and to be honest with the new ORC wont we just see things then)
I mean, this absolutely
does not do that. It has been pointed out multiple times that this does not assure that at all. They can just unilaterally cancel anyone's ability to make content through this, and by
great... so now your calling me a liar.
I never called you a liar. I've simply pointed out that you are very eager for a compromise, or whatever is being sold as such. You eagerly defended the morality clause, too, which is basically the superlaser of their OGL Death Star. I think that you are just really quick to forgive on this, which is why I don't really see your threat as a real one.
do you not know how compromise work? They get something and we get something...
Yes, I know how compromise work. I get assurances on what I want, they get assurances on what they want. They may not get everything I want, nor will I.
This deal is not a compromise. It's a surrender. They can unilaterally and without remedy cancel all these contracts if they so desire while also deauthorizing OGL 1.0a. We get nothing, they get everything.
except Lando didn't have the leverage we do... they need us.
No, they don't need you because they already
have you.
I am taking that they want to make money, and they realize this was costing them money instead of making money.
No, they're just able to convince people with fake concessions that they don't need to be held to to get what they want.
no it's at OUR spending.
right cause I came back because they gave in. So if they don't give in I'm gone.
What did they give in? They get what they want and they can completely renege on their side of things because they have a morality clause that allows them to nuke the entire thing from orbit with no arbitration.
no you missunderstand what they want. They want money and power... the money comes from us the power comes from being talked and thought about... they don't "want" to screw people they just don't care if they do.
They absolutely are okay with screwing people. I've posted examples already of them attempting to do that, and breaking good-faith contracts to do so. The evidence that they will simply go back on their word far outweighs the idea that they'll just give up, and what they've put in the OGL gives them an out on this.
So they thought that doing all that other stuff would make them money... we as a group came together and showed it would COST them money instead... so now they are looking for the least they can give up and get us back. We each have to decided on our own when it is enough... we can disagree on what is enough.
Sure, you can say you got what you wanted. But the reality of the contract doesn't reflect that.
It's only proving to me that you don't understand cause and effect. the cause of the draconian way they handled things had the effect of us all speaking out and effecting there money and power. They found what they would give back... that causes some of us to have the effect of saying "good enough"
Actually, I think I understand cause and effect here better than you. They thought they could get away with it in the open, so they went as hard as they did with 1.1. With 1.2, they've had to make a cursory attempt to hide their intent.
You then think they can just go back to the original cause and not end up with the same effect.
I mean, they'll have gotten what they wanted in killing the OGL 1.0a. I just have no faith that the group that says "Oh, if they do again we'll totally stop them" when their version of a compromise is already giving WOTC to do this again without any sort of consequences or guardrails.