D&D 5E Is the stun from Psychic Scream permanent if it is impossible to make the save?

[tomBitonti]

Can an unconscious creature have the stunned condition?

I thought about using Feeblemind to reduce the creatures intelligence, but I don’t think that would remove the condition.

A superset of this question is discussed here:

How can I end the Stunned Condition?

The Stunned condition seems to be incredibly powerful. Are there any ways to end it with magic, magic items, abilities, or prevent it from occurring in the first place?

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TomB

 

[Mistwell]

Or even lower level - resistance. (Is there anything saying bless and resistance don't stack?)

They stack. So +2d4. Should be able to pull out of it under the treatment of a first level cleric with those spells. I believe there are some bards that can give you inspiration to increase your save attempt as well. And then of course a Paladin with the right aura will increase your saves.

 

[Sorcerers Apprentice]

They stack. So +2d4. Should be able to pull out of it under the treatment of a first level cleric with those spells. I believe there are some bards that can give you inspiration to increase your save attempt as well. And then of course a Paladin with the right aura will increase your saves.

Both Bless and Resistance are concentration spells, so you need 2 clerics to stack both buffs.

Still, unless you've rolled stats and gotten really unlucky, no PC should have less than a -1 save bonus, meaning you'll eventually roll a 23 on 1d20+1d4. Even Vecna's save DC is only 22.

 

[ECMO3]

Maybe Greater Restoration? It doesn’t technically remove stunned, but it feels like an appropriate way to rule that such a perma-stun could be ended.

Dispel Magic would certainly work (as long as you cast at 9th level).

 

[ECMO3]

This is an example of why you should auto succeed at a saving throw on a 20.

I am kind of of the opposite opinion. This is why you should not auto succeed on a 20.

 

[Irlo]

Dispel Magic would certainly work (as long as you cast at 9th level).

Despite the on-going effect, psychic scream is instantaneous, isn't it? That would mean that there's no lingering magic to dispel.

 

[ECMO3]

Bless would allow you to get that d20 up to 4 higher....

Yeah but you are going to burn through a lot of bless spells before you land it.

 

[jgsugden]

Yeah but you are going to burn through a lot of bless spells before you land it.

Let's say you have a -2 to your saving throw and a DC of 20. You need to roll a 22. There are 80 different combinations of the d4 and d20. 6 of them work (20+2/3/4, 19+3/4, 18+4). 6 of 80 work (7.5%), and you get 10 chances per bless. You're more likely than not to have it work on one bless, 79% likely to get it in 2, and over 90% in 3.

Even if you have a -4 and need both the 20 and the 4, you'll likely get it within 5 bless spells.

And for those saying that you can just use resistance: This is nearly impossible. Because nearly nobody takes resistance.

 

[Mistwell]

Both Bless and Resistance are concentration spells, so you need 2 clerics to stack both buffs.

Still, unless you've rolled stats and gotten really unlucky, no PC should have less than a -1 save bonus, meaning you'll eventually roll a 23 on 1d20+1d4. Even Vecna's save DC is only 22.

Yeah really all you need is the Resistance cantrip OR a Bless spell that's true. And I forgot Resistance is concentration because every time I've used it it's either out of combat for for a save made that round.

 

[Mistwell]

Let's say you have a -2 to your saving throw and a DC of 20. You need to roll a 22. There are 80 different combinations of the d4 and d20. 6 of them work (20+2/3/4, 19+3/4, 18+4). 6 of 80 work (7.5%), and you get 10 chances per bless. You're more likely than not to have it work on one bless, 79% likely to get it in 2, and over 90% in 3.

Even if you have a -4 and need both the 20 and the 4, you'll likely get it within 5 bless spells.

And for those saying that you can just use resistance: This is nearly impossible. Because nearly nobody takes resistance.

Resistance is a much better cantrip than people seem to think. I take it on my Clerics and have it right now in a game. SO many times out of combat our rogue is doing something super-risky and I hit him with a Resistance in prep for him doing the wrong thing and needing to make a save. I let someone else hit him with a Guidance though he rarely needs a Guidance. His skills are great - it's trap he triggers because he never checked which gets him every time. Whether it's opening a chest or sneaking around, Resistance comes up more often than Guidance for that guy.