D&D General Kobold Press Going Down a Dark Road

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

No, they've said it's compatible with 5E, that's rather different.

IIRC, when the announced 1D&D the said 2024 will be 2014, it is all “one D&D. That is where the name come from: it is all one game - 5e.

 

[Justice and Rule]

IIRC, when the announced 1D&D the said 2024 will be 2014, it is all “one D&D. That is where the name come from: it is all one game - 5e.

Yeah, but there are kind of real differences so far in the classes when it comes to 1DND versus 5E. I think it's maybe better to say that there will be an environment where both exist, but one will eventually usurp the other, like early humans and Neanderthals.

 

[mamba]

No, WotC have repeatedly said 2024 D&D will be 5e. 1D&D is the playtest and a marketing term to indicate 2014 and 2024 D&D are one game: 5e.

and yet it will be different books with different content and the 2014 version will go out of print… so is your point that KP should not have said 5e goes out of print because 1DD is in print by then and being marketed as 5e?

 

[Bolares]

IIRC, when the announced 1D&D the said 2024 will be 2014, it is all “one D&D. That is where the name come from: it is all one game - 5e.

They’ve said multiple times that they are done with editions and their de plan is to just keep updating 5e. The most they’ve said (that I’ve seen) is that if they had to compare to an edition it would be 5.5 not anytting new. But the discussion is kind of pointless and people already have their convictions about what OD&D is.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I think of all of those as 5e myself.

I personally don’t like being lumped into the group and find your statement a bit offensive. I don’t think I have commented much if at all on KP’s statement. But who knows, I jump all over the place in these forums. Hard to keep track of what I’ve said!

I can say with confidence now that I don’t really care about KP’s statement or BF in general.

Fair enough, I formally remove you and anyone else who hasn't used dramatic language or acted like this some kind of dire insult from what I was saying - I didn't intend it to apply to people who were being calm but I should have been clearer.

And yeah if you see all of them as 5E, sure, fine. Personally I see none of them as 5E, but that's a matter of perspective (and I don't mean that in a rude - it's just for me, 5E specifies, well, the game that came out in 2014 and has been added to for the last 9 years with no huge changes - imho).

 

[Ruin Explorer]

IIRC, when the announced 1D&D the said 2024 will be 2014, it is all “one D&D. That is where the name come from: it is all one game - 5e.

Did they? I haven't see WotC call 5E 5E much, so I'm surprised they said that, but I'll take your word for it.

 

[dave2008]

I just don't think strict appeal to popularity is a good way to go.

I don't think anyone is really saying (or doing) that though. I see people saying that it is the only objective measure, but not that it is the one true way to good game design. Nor do I think WotC is only appealing to popularity. If that was the case, they would ask a lot more questions than they do.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I don't think anyone is really saying (or doing) that though. I see people saying that it is the only objective measure, but not that it is the one true way to good game design. Nor do I think WotC is only appealing to popularity. If that was the case, they would ask a lot more questions than they do.

I mean, WotC have weird attitudes to popularity. With their surveys, they hit a tiny, tiny percentage of their playerbase, and I daresay one that's not actually indicative of the larger playerbase, but the older, male-er, much nerdier side. So on one level, that's ignoring popularity in favour of this small group. On the other hand, they seem, from recent comments, to have brought back the "70% rule" (ugh), which is a popularity contest in its very purest and most mindless form.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

and yet it will be different books with different content and the 2014 version will go out of print… so is your point that KP should not have said 5e goes out of print because 1DD is in print by then and being marketed as 5e?

No, I was simply responding to Ruinexplorer's comment. It had nothing to do with the OP.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

Yeah, but there are kind of real differences so far in the classes when it comes to 1DND versus 5E. I think it's maybe better to say that there will be an environment where both exist, but one will eventually usurp the other, like early humans and Neanderthals.

Conversely there are real difference between classes in 2014 D&D. A warlock =/= wizard =/= a fighter, etc. I find this fixation about the differences between the classes in 2014 and 1D&D odd as they seem less important / impactful than the differences that exist between the classes just in the 2014 PHB. 5e is not 4e/PF2e people!