D&D (2024) How did I miss this about the Half races/ancestries

[UngeheuerLich]

What if Flight required a proficiency in a Fly Skill? Fly (Dex; Armor Check Penalty) – d20PFSRD

No. DSA (The dark eye) 1st edition had a fly skill... meant to use to steer flying carpets and pegasi and so on...
guess what 12 year olds made of that...

I could see tool proficency (vehicle air) as most reasonable.

 

[Horwath]

Making it feats is dangerous, as you make all a bit more samey. However if the default is human, then you still have a feat to spare.

how?

If you make it a feat, then all races/species can have their own version of "planetouched" or whatever.

Now no matter the "parent race", all are the same. That is even more samey.

Elven tiefling should be different in lore, looks and mechanics from human or orc or dwarf tiefling.

I.E.
Infernal heritage feat.
you can only take this feat at 1st level.
you can only have one heritage feat.

you gain:
darkvision 60ft or improve your darkvision by 60ft.
fire and poison resistance.
thaumaturgy, minor illusion or mage hand cantrip.
learn infernal language.

 

[Horwath]

What if Flight required a proficiency in a Fly Skill? Fly (Dex; Armor Check Penalty) – d20PFSRD

no, but it could be made that if armor has stealth penalty, halve the fly speed.
more usage for special material armors.

 

[Remathilis]

Yeah - I think we have an agreement in principle.

To be honest, Players Options Skills and Powers was an idea ahead of its time and I would love to see Character points and the ability to customize your species and class abilities be part of the main game. But I suspect that is more than most people would want. It would fix most problems people have with fixed abilities of classes and such.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

how?

If you make it a feat, then all races/species can have their own version of "planetouched" or whatever.

Now no matter the "parent race", all are the same. That is even more samey.

Elven tiefling should be different in lore, looks and mechanics from human or orc or dwarf tiefling.

I.E.
Infernal heritage feat.
you can only take this feat at 1st level.
you can only have one heritage feat.

you gain:
darkvision 60ft or improve your darkvision by 60ft.
fire and poison resistance.
thaumaturgy, minor illusion or mage hand cantrip.
learn infernal language.

As I explained. It deprives them of their only feat to customize their character.

On the other hand, it is better than now, where you don't have a feat at all.

I still think, if you have one major trait packet for every species, thaz is equivalent of a feat, that you can swap with another one to make "half" species, you would sovle two issues in ome go.

So youbwant a tiefling elf? Swap out fey heriatage with tiefling heritage and you are good.

 

[Horwath]

As I explained. It deprives them of their only feat to customize their character.

On the other hand, it is better than now, where you don't have a feat at all.

I still think, if you have one major trait packet for every species, thaz is equivalent of a feat, that you can swap with another one to make "half" species, you would sovle two issues in ome go.

So youbwant a tiefling elf? Swap out fey heriatage with tiefling heritage and you are good.

then take the human and have two feats at 1st level and one can be a heritage feat.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

then take the human and have two feats at 1st level and one can be a heritage feat.

Yes. That is what I wrote in my first post you responded to... :/

 

[Henadic Theologian]

As the parent of a mixed ethnicity child, my wife and myself being different basic ethnicities, I can totally say it is not racist at all to use the term half, in fact that is how we all describe our son, him included. He is proudly half one thing and half another thing, total reality. Heck I'm mixed ethnicity just not as obvious as our son. I'm split into 1/4s, and yes I say my ethnic background is 1/4 this, 1/4 that etc...

And they killed all the cool stuff that made half unique, now it's just one thing mechanically with another made up description. So yeah they killed the fun and cool part. You should be able to pull from both races and mix them together, it starts getting racist to me when we say one is the dominant race over the other like they are proposing now, that sucks like wotc does in general these days.

See, look how that went...

You make alot of sense, honestly. I don't get what's racist about math, like these are just mathematical terms, you inheriant half you DNA from one parent and half your DNA from the other parent, hence your half of whatever your father is and half of whatever your mother is.


I suppose they could have gone with biracial, or I guess bispecies?

 

[Frozen_Heart]

I'd argue that if you handled planetouched through feats, you could make them more unique and impactful, not less.

In 5.5e you start with a feat, which could be the initial planetouched (I'll use tiefling as an example) feat. But then you could have additional tiefling feats beyond that. Either with level prerequisites or requiring the previous tiefling feat. Most likley you would have three or so feats for each planetouched.

But if you take this to its very extreme conclusion with the character building of 5.5e, you could have 6 tiefling feats and a tiefling epic boon! By the initial one or two feats you have equal flavour to a tiefling represented as a standard player species, and you can keep taking it well beyond that.

 

[Horwath]

As the parent of a mixed ethnicity child, my wife and myself being different basic ethnicities, I can totally say it is not racist at all to use the term half, in fact that is how we all describe our son, him included. He is proudly half one thing and half another thing, total reality. Heck I'm mixed ethnicity just not as obvious as our son. I'm split into 1/4s, and yes I say my ethnic background is 1/4 this, 1/4 that etc...

And they killed all the cool stuff that made half unique, now it's just one thing mechanically with another made up description. So yeah they killed the fun and cool part. You should be able to pull from both races and mix them together, it starts getting racist to me when we say one is the dominant race over the other like they are proposing now, that sucks like wotc does in general these days.

See, look how that went...

To play the devils advocate here,

we could word it as dominant and recessive genes not races/species.
Like those genes that exist in real world.

I.E.

lets say that Elves all get proficiency and expertise in Perception.
Humans get skill versatility in two skills.

Half elves then could get proficiency in perception(dominant gene) and one skill for skill versatility.
No expertise in Perception as that could be recessive gene and both parents must have it.