D&D General Fighting Law and Order

[soviet]

Do you go to other people's houses to a party, whip off your pants and rummage through your things, then get mad when they don't appreciate how you've ;/'helpfully' rearranged their pantry? I'm going to guess 'no'.

I think I read the bolded text differently to how you meant it

 

[Vaalingrade]

I think I read the bolded text differently to how you meant it

Well I mean I mean it that way now.

 

[Flamestrike]

It is illogical and immersion-breaking to assume something that exists in real life (FBI raids) would apply in substantially the same manner in a fantasy world, and that it is the only direct and natural consequence of the adventurers killing multiple guards in a prison break.

First, it assumes that the lord actually cares enough about several dead guards to send anyone after the adventurers. Maybe he does, but maybe he doesn’t.

Even assuming a medieval world of our own (and Faerun is not that world) do you think a bunch of Lordless wandering vagabonds could just enter a Saxon Barons keep, murder several of his guards, and that Baron would just shrug and do nothing?

Now consider a magical world where that Baron has instantaneous communication with other Lords and the ability to Speak with the Dead and use Divination magic to ascertain who the culprits are (he has access to at least 5th level Spellcasters), simply by asking his Court wizard or the local High Priest in his castle to do so.

I mean I guess he could just ignore it. But for mine that would be immersion breaking in the extreme.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Even assuming a medieval world of our own (and Faerun is not that world) do you think a bunch of Lordless wandering vagabonds could just enter a Saxon Barons keep, murder several of his guards, and that Baron would just shrug and do nothing?

Their keep, yes. Random town with random defenders? Absolutely not. They might not even be told it would matter so little.

But this doesn't matter because God is angry and they are going to bend over backwards to make those pesky players pay for their impudence by coming up with a reason to hurt their characters.

 

[pemerton]

Even assuming a medieval world of our own (and Faerun is not that world) do you think a bunch of Lordless wandering vagabonds could just enter a Saxon Barons keep, murder several of his guards, and that Baron would just shrug and do nothing?

Now consider a magical world where that Baron has instantaneous communication with other Lords and the ability to Speak with the Dead and use Divination magic to ascertain who the culprits are (he has access to at least 5th level Spellcasters), simply by asking his Court wizard or the local High Priest in his castle to do so.

I mean I guess he could just ignore it. But for mine that would be immersion breaking in the extreme.

Why would the Baron have spare goons to send in pursuit?

I mean, maybe they do and maybe they don't, but if - say - all their hired help (whose numbers are now somewhat depleted!) are busy doing other important things, they may have to just suck it up.

 

[Flamestrike]

At the risk of offense: Maybe it isn't that they're common, but that the specific style of play which you espouse either draws them,

Murder hobism dnd reddit - Google Search

The above is a google search, with the terms 'Murder Hoboism, DnD, Reddit' with 87,000 hits.

They're common.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Reddit: known for completely true D&D stories.

87,000: Know to be a lot in a hobby of Millions.

 

[Flamestrike]

Their keep, yes. Random town with random defenders?

Then they wouldnt be Lords for long. It's literally the role of the Lord to investigate and bring the offenders to justice.

From my own search:

The best way to handle a Murder Hobo in a Dungeons & Dragons party is to enact consequences for extreme actions. If a player is running through a town destroying shops and killing the shopkeepers to take what they want, the Dungeon Master could have the town put a bounty on the player's head. If the player kills an NPC instead of interacting with them to get a key item or information, it could be that information is permanently lost to the party. By putting weight behind player actions, it gives more incentive to think before they act - especially if the D&D party starts to get frustrated at not being able to finish quests, or lose their ability to go into towns to purchase potions and weapons.

Dungeons & Dragons: What A Murder Hobo Is

 

[Flamestrike]

When I say the DM is not the players' daddy and doesn't get to 'teach' them moral lessons or discipline them

You're wholly wrong. Teaching the game is one of the DMs primary responsibilities, and that includes getting bad players to pull their heads in.

If you dont like it, go disrupt someone elses game.

 

[Flamestrike]

Their keep, yes. Random town with random defenders?

Then they wouldnt be Lords for long. It's literally the role of the Lord to investigate and bring the offenders to justice.

Petitioners come to the Lord, complain, and the Lord sends forces after them.

It goes something like this: