D&D (2024) Martial vs Caster: Removing the "Magical Dependencies" of high level.

[Emberashh]

No.

Because they haven't been given the tools to do so without bending over backward and doing way more work than they should be asked to.

This is a reason why I think its important to recognize that 5e is 9 years old and is more or less a known quantity.

If you're running 5e in 2023+ then its not really on the system anymore when your games turn out cruddy. Put in the effort or play something else.

 

[bert1001 fka bert1000]

We must play at very different tables. I cannot think of a time when I DM'ed or others DMed and allowed for a single use solution that only a wizard could solve. The designers did not cast out the martial or pull up the ladder on them. They looked at and applied the martial tropes people have for each class (especially modern-day cinema), and then tried to build a class around them. Old school tropes like Conan and Lancelot and Aragorn are in there. In books, Forgotten Realm's characters like Drizzt and Wulfgar are in there. Newer cinema versions like Cap'n Jack Sparrow and John Snow. Female tropes are in there too: Katniss Evergreen, Brienne of Tarth, Arya Stark, Xena the Warrior Princess, Holga... The list goes on and on. And they did a pretty good job at letting people create their characters in a resemblance fashion. To say otherwise seems shortsighted.

Yeah, the issue is their inspiration for Wizard seems to be Dr. Strange which doesn't map to many fantasy tropes. Typical high powered fantasy spellcasters often link great magic power to serious downsides, limited use, narrow 'spell lists', etc.

 

[HammerMan]

If you're running 5e in 2023+ then its not really on the system anymore when your games turn out cruddy. Put in the effort or play something else.

So if the system is the hurdle and you need to work around the hurdle it’s your fault of the hurdle gets in your way?!?

 

[HammerMan]

Yeah, the issue is their inspiration for Wizard seems to be Dr. Strange which doesn't map to many fantasy tropes. Typical high powered fantasy spellcasters often link great magic power to serious downsides, limited use, narrow 'spell lists', etc.

To be honest a 20th level d&d wizard with no spells as treasure might know more spells then doctor strange has ever cast.

 

[HammerMan]

To be honest a 20th level d&d wizard with no spells as treasure might know more spells then doctor strange has ever cast.

I can’t find a list of dr strange spells but the marvel fan wiki lists “spells we have seen cast” as just under 150.
If I assume strange knows all that is more then a 20th level wizard who know 84 plus 5 cantrips


Oops. Forgot a link. Spells and Phrases

 

[CreamCloud0]

Again this seems like a warlock taking speak with animals at will and mage armor at will and jump at will and. Well you get the idea.

really? with only that small handful of slots, or did you think i was suggesting we let them keep all their original number of slots? that's how i was interpreting your post: reduce the spells known but keep the slots.

 

[Vaalingrade]

This is a reason why I think its important to recognize that 5e is 9 years old and is more or less a known quantity.

If you're running 5e in 2023+ then its not really on the system anymore when your games turn out cruddy. Put in the effort or play something else.

My car is 10 years old by now. Its parts are known quantities.

When Ford sends me a recall notice, it's my fault because I should have forged a new fuel tank out of old water bottles. It is not a problem that should have been caught and fixed in quality control ten years ago.

 

[Emberashh]

So if the system is the hurdle and you need to work around the hurdle it’s your fault of the hurdle gets in your way?!?

It is when no one is forcing you to play a 9 year old game thats been exhaustively shown to be what it is over those 9 years.

 

[James Gasik]

So the kid who watches the D&D movie and says "man, what a great game" and goes out and buys the three core books to run the game for his friends is at fault because the game is 9 years old?

 

[HammerMan]

It is when no one is forcing you to play a 9 year old game thats been exhaustively shown to be what it is over those 9 years.

So again, the flaw in the system just shouldn’t be fixed