D&D (2024) Martial vs Caster: Removing the "Magical Dependencies" of high level.

[HammerMan]

Jurassic Park and others are very hard SF, but not because they are possible.

Jurassic park is as hard as Star Trek.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Did that. Two days ago. If that was all it took, why are we still getting demands?



Remember, this? From two days ago?

Because you guys still seem to care only about the mechanics, and are "throwing a bone" to the narrative, as if it matters less. And I don't understand that philosophy.

 

[Yaarel]

why are we still getting demands?

Some forumers are intentionally obfuscating HOW the Fighter can accomplish magical feats.

to you that answer is nonmagical. So... what are we supposed to do here?

Explain how the magic happens.

Remember, this? From two days ago?

At the dawn of time, when the first people of each race breathed in the air of the world, they had Champions. For the world was a dangerous place, full of evils and monsters beyond the strength of the common peasant. To survive, these people needed warriors, fighters, brave souls who would stand against all that threatened them with the full might of their people's survival on their shoulders. And echoing into the future, these champions still persist. They take up sword and shield, axe and hammer, bow and arrow, but always they stride forth to do battle.

So far there is zero reference to superhuman abilities.

Scholars and Sages debate what sets these Warriors apart from the common man. Some claim it is their intense will and determination,

"Will and determination" in reference to superhuman abilities is the Psionic magic of the mind.

which warps the natural fields of magic to empower them beyond mortal limits.

Which is what Ki and Psionic do.

Others claim it is a descended soul from the first champions of each race, burning like brilliant sparks and pushing the flesh beyond its limits.

This sounds like it might be Primal magic relating to ancestral beings, or the soul magic that is Ki or Psionic.

Kingdoms and Empires enact special training regimes which seem to occassionally awaken such warriors to their potential, and claim it is these special techniques alone which create greatness. The Bards, speakers of the First Words, claim it is purely that these men and women become living legends, empowered by the faith and fervor of the people who spread their name, and using the weight of the words to move the world around them.

"Faith and fervor of the people" sounds like Divine magic.

But the Fighter? They do not care why they can do what they do. Why they can does not matter, instead what matters is their goal and their determination to succeed no matter what.

Intentional obfuscation.

 

[Gammadoodler]

Yes, but other forumers are offering zero opinion − and are intentionally obfuscating HOW the Fighter can accomplish magical feats.

Because the "how" of it matters just as much as the many many "hows" of spellcasting..
Not all that much.

 

[Yaarel]

Arcane and Divine are "weave" magic.

Psionic mind magic and Ki magic are "soul" magic.

Possibly Ki = Martial magic.

Primal magic is probably "soul" magic, but in the sense that features of nature have souls.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Because the "how" of it matters just as much as the many many "hows" of spellcasting..
Not all that much.

I would argue that the "how" of spellcasting matters very much to any particular class, and imo should inform the abilities they get just as much as the "how" of a mythic martial should. I'm not being unfair. Everyone should have narrative justification for what they do.

 

[Incenjucar]

The "how" is important to the novels, not the game, and they stopped making the novels.

 

[Yaarel]

The "how" is important to the novels, not the game, and they stopped making the novels.

The "how" and its narrative are important to the D&D storytelling game, are mechanically necessary for the DM to adjudicate scenarios narratively, and define the tropes and themes of each setting, including a light suggestion for a default setting.

 

[Hussar]

Then provide several possibilities, but do so in the text, and let them inform the story of the class. Subclasses can narrow it down too.

Done. Can we move on now?

 

[Minigiant]

I might want to focus on the Constitution bonus to hit points as being strictly physical "meat" points.

Then "vitality" is the more nonphysical aspects of hit points.

In any case, I like the term "vitality" when refer to the bodily forces and influences of a soul.

I like to believe that a warrior training allows them to tap into their own vitality. And as they level up, they absorb energies latent in the air to be transform into their own vitality.

A warrior who has dealt with spells, ki, psionics, infusions, and the like has absorbed so much energy that they can break the barriers of their race.

Magical classes do not train their bodies enough to absorb energies.