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[Reynard]

The concept of "builds" is bad, but when it is accompanied by discussions of "DPS" in the context of a tabletop RPG, I just think you are in the wrong hobby.

 

[TheSword]

The barriers to entry are really low now, even for professional looking print products.

I disagree that there are too many new systems today. I feel like if a new non 5E or non OSR game comes out, there's an 80% chance that it is PbtA.

It’s more the thousand variations and adaptions that are the equivalent of dialects of language. Like putting your effort into learning Spanish only to find out folks in Barcelona are speaking Catalan. Which is fine right up until you want to have a good conversation with someone. Same with games.

 

[aramis erak]

Grilled onions? Mango salsa? Kim chi? Siracha? Is guacamole a condiment?

I mean if you are eating a hot dog, it's not for the hot dog but for whatever you are putting on it.

Speak for yourself!
I like hotdogs sans bun, sans condiments. when I buy the basic american style, this is in fact the usual mode I eat them.
I like them in bun with good mustard, some onions, and some kosher dill relish.
I like them in a bun with Advanced Cheese Substitute (either Kraft sliced american "cheese" or bacon flavored cheese whiz)
I like them diced, fried, and in a matrix of eggs.
I like them lightly burnt on the grill in any of the above configurations.

Same for polish sausage, and fully cooked bratwürste.

Now, if they need cooking, nothing beats genuine wood charcoal.

 

[aramis erak]

There is no such thing as a plain burger. There is no "burger" without cheese.

Pretty sure my friend Menachem, who is a rabbi, might disagree on that one.

Yup.
As would anyone with serious issues with milk products...
I don't enjoy the after-effects of "American cheese" - that slurry of oil and milksolids that isn't aged (and thus predigested by the microbes which make good cheeses)...

 

[Reynard]

Speak for yourself!
I like hotdogs sans bun, sans condiments. when I buy the basic american style, this is in fact the usual mode I eat them.
I like them in bun with good mustard, some onions, and some kosher dill relish.
I like them in a bun with Advanced Cheese Substitute (either Kraft sliced american "cheese" or bacon flavored cheese whiz)
I like them diced, fried, and in a matrix of eggs.
I like them lightly burnt on the grill in any of the above configurations.

Same for polish sausage, and fully cooked bratwürste.

Now, if they need cooking, nothing beats genuine wood charcoal.

I kept expecting this comment to turn into a riff on green Eggs and Ham and I was disappointed.

 

[aramis erak]

D&D (and therefore most fantasy adventure RPGs) is "America if America had a medieval age that contains its expressed (though not lived) values, as though it were backported to the Middle Ages." It's actually a really intriguing concept to me.

THat is... well, just about the best turn of phrase I have encountered to describe it...
Immediately making me think of The Republic of Darrokin subsetting for Mystara.

 

[aramis erak]

Um actually

I don't have a copy of the 2e PHB handy, but 1e goes up to different levels for different classes.

Clerics, Fighters, and Paladins go up to 11.
Illusionists, Rangers, and Thieves go up to 12.
Druids go up to 14.
Assassins go up to 15.
Monks go up to 17.
Magic-users go up to 18.
Bards go up to 23. (!?)

Although the expectation seems to be that you'll extrapolate past these numbers and that PC's can theoretically keep leveling up forever.

2E was 20... but had a high level campaigning splat taking it to at least 30. I can't check the latter since it's not to hand.
BECMI/Cyclopedia is 36 mortal, then 36 immortal, for a potential of 72 total, tho' the switch from Mortal to Immortal 1 doesn't require having more than 30th as a mortal; ISTR it being 25
3E was 20, but had a book to take to 40.
4E goes to 30th.
5E goes to 20th, but has additional non-leveled post-20th advancements...

 

[aramis erak]

The concept of "builds" is bad, but when it is accompanied by discussions of "DPS" in the context of a tabletop RPG, I just think you are in the wrong hobby.

Gatekeeper detected...
For some, RPGs have always been part of miniatures wargaming. For some, they always shall
Heck, PEG released a Savage Worlds intro version that was branded as a minis wargame. See the Web Archive here: Pinnacle's Weird Website!
Savage Worlds Showdown...

 

[Reynard]

Gatekeeper detected...

Do we really want to start name calling in this thread?

For some, RPGs have always been part of miniatures wargaming. For some, they always shall
Heck, PEG released a Savage Worlds intro version that was branded as a minis wargame. See the Web Archive here: Pinnacle's Weird Website!
Savage Worlds Showdown...

Savage Worlds is based on the slimmed down wargame rules for Deadlands.

 

[MichaelSomething]

It’s more the thousand variations and adaptions that are the equivalent of dialects of language. Like putting your effort into learning Spanish only to find out folks in Barcelona are speaking Catalan. Which is fine right up until you want to have a good conversation with someone. Same with games.

Just like the OSR!