D&D General What is player agency to you?

[Maxperson]

No ones going to answer my question it looks like

They kinda already did when they say that the ability should work on another plane of existence with beings that view humans as ants. Working on an Efrit on the plane of fire isn't really any different than working on the president of the US.

 

[Maxperson]

I do, have, and will continue to do so.

Simply saying no to a player doesn’t remove their agency.

I've said that as well. With a bit more specificity. Saying no doesn't inherently remove agency, just the same as saying yes doesn't inherently grant agency. Both yes and no can affect agency or not, depending on circumstances.

 

[FrogReaver]

Also bringing up an unresolved question from the past.

Suppose a player doesn’t get to do what he wants because the DM tells him no - some call that a denial of player agency.
What if the game rules tell him no - is that a denial of player agency?
What if the dice tell him no - is that a denial of player agency?

It seems to me that rules and bad dice rolls deny players just as much player agency as a DM saying no. Thoughts?

 

[mamba]

I do, have, and will continue to do so.

Simply saying no to a player doesn’t remove their agency.

affecting does not mean removing

 

[FrogReaver]

affecting does not mean removing

If affecting doesn't mean removing in this context then what the heck does it mean?

 

[Raiztt]

Who decided that this transportation has taken place? Who put at stake that the world of the PCs would change from Faerun to the US?

I mean, this is no different from the City of Brass example, about which I asked exactly the same questions.

Assuming that the players have exercised their agency in brining about this reframing of things, then why would they seek to find a noble in a realm which has, as one of its founding principles, that "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States"?

Question stands - I don't know why players do the things they do, they just do them sometimes. This situation is certainly plausible and coherent.

 

[mamba]

Also bringing up an unresolved question from the past.

Suppose a player doesn’t get to do what he wants because the DM tells him no - some call that a denial of player agency.
What if the game rules tell him no - is that a denial of player agency?
What if the dice tell him no - is that a denial of player agency?

It seems to me that rules and bad dice rolls deny players just as much player agency as a DM saying no. Thoughts?

they do, but it is less fun to haggle with your dice or rulebook

 

[Raiztt]

They kinda already did when they say that the ability should work on another plane of existence with beings that view humans as ants. Working on an Efrit on the plane of fire isn't really any different than working on the president of the US.

Right but that's why I'm asking them to be specific instead of just saying it works - I want them to actually cash out HOW it can work.

It strains my credulity both as a DM and as a player.

 

[mamba]

If affecting doesn't mean removing in this context then what the heck does it mean?

reduce, relative to the alternative

 

[mamba]

Right but that's why I'm asking them to be specific instead of just saying it works - I want them to actually cash out HOW it can work.

It strains my credulity both as a DM and as a player.

they did, they said the efreet is curious simply because of your being there, so you get your audience