D&D General What is player agency to you?

[nevin]

Though I’d also point out that this is a fact that cuts both ways.

99 percent of all of these arguments (both sides)

pretty sure I did...

 

[FrogReaver]

99 percent of all of these arguments (both sides)

pretty sure I did...

I don’t understand the offense you are taking when all I did was insert context that you agree with.

 

[nevin]

no offense. You just reiterated what i stated. Most people do that when they think it wasn't said.

 

[FrogReaver]

no offense. You just reiterated what i stated. Most people do that when they think it wasn't said.

Agreed. But it can also be when there’s some perceived ambiguity

 

[mamba]

Not typically.

your answer to @Maxperson is what I was going for

 

[mamba]

99 percent of all of these arguments (both sides) are entirely invalidated by one simple fact, players can walk away. DM's that push thier players too far either way simply stop being DM's.

Not sure how arguing that in rare instances I do not grant an audience invalidates me saying that I do not treat the feature as a guarantee. They are one and the same.

No one is saying anything like 'constantly, or 'frequently'. If you walk away because I deny you one audience with one noble, you are free to do so. That does not invalidate that I reserve the right to

 

[Maxperson]

Not sure how arguing that in rare instances I do not grant an audience invalidates me saying that I do not treat the feature as a guarantee. They are one and the same.

No one is saying anything like 'constantly, or 'frequently'. If you walk away because I deny you one audience with one noble, you are free to do so. That does not invalidate that I reserve the right to

Yeah. Someone who walks away from my game over the rare exception to an ability probably isn't someone I want in the game anyway. That just feels like someone with entitlement issues to me and will just cause a lot of other problems.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Right! Nonsense through-and-through.

Likewise that a shared fiction in which player priorities loom large will lack verisimilitude. That's a nonsense concern. Villains, curses, twists and turns, don't become less verisimilitudinous because they involve or pertain to ideas that the players as well as the GM came up with.

This idea comes from the same school of thought where people watch a show and go 'how CONVENIENT that the plot just HAPPENS to follow the protagonists.' that I've seen on a lot of lazy react channels these days.

 

[nevin]

Not sure how arguing that in rare instances I do not grant an audience invalidates me saying that I do not treat the feature as a guarantee. They are one and the same.

No one is saying anything like 'constantly, or 'frequently'. If you walk away because I deny you one audience with one noble, you are free to do so. That does not invalidate that I reserve the right to

no the point was the arguments simply don't matter in the real world at the real tables. people don't care enough to read these threads or argure the infinite definitions of agency they just leave when they don't like it. We are all the equivilant of a bunch of monks arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. pointless to everyone but ourselves within the context of the thread.

 

[FrogReaver]

no the point was the arguments simply don't matter in the real world at the real tables. people don't care enough to read these threads or argure the infinite definitions of agency they just leave when they don't like it. We are all the equivilant of a bunch of monks arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. pointless to everyone but ourselves within the context of the thread.

Is there any forum discussion that doesn’t amount to that