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[payn]

This thread has a single gatekeeper costume that folks just take turns wearing.

 

[Reynard]

I keep waiting for the mod squad to come by and finally put a bullet in it,but here it remains...

 

[MGibster]

See this? This is groovy. Not liking an edition is groovy. I’ll be the first to admit I’d never play 1e again. Like you, I’d never try to claim it wasn’t DnD or an rpg.

I have very fond memories of AD&D 1st and 2nd edition, but the last time someone offered to run a game of either I laughed and laughed and laughed.

Another unpopular opinion: Crunch isn't bad, nor does it automatically slow down play.

This is true. This is a preference thing and there is no right or wrong answer. Do you like it? Then it's fine. Do you dislike it? That's cool to. I don't like kale. That doesn't make kale bad. Actually, I need to rethink this.

 

[Gradine]

Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light

 

[Cadence]

Is there a point where a game needing electronic help to be easily played in its basic form makes it no longer really a ttRPG?

EDIT put in after 4421 below: Sorry, this was not meant to be a 4E question! I played some 4E without electronics just fine. And I use(d) electronic references all the time with PF1e and 5E.

 

[Emberashh]

Is there a point where a game needing electronic help to be easily played in its basic form makes it no longer really a ttRPG?

Considering roleplay can and does occur within the constrained worlds of RPG and Survival video games, I don't believe so.

Electronic tools are just accessibility, and some people just need to get with the times and stop treating cell phones as a bad thing.

 

[Reynard]

Is there a point where a game needing electronic help to be easily played in its basic form makes it no longer really a ttRPG?

"Easily" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. But even given that, I think that it is still a TTRPG even if you need (for example) an app to do the very weird RNG work this particular game does -- so long if with that app is involves sitting around a (potentially virtual) table pretending to be elves (or whatever) with (sort of) boundless choices before us.

 

[Cadence]

Considering roleplay can and does occur within the constrained worlds of RPG and Survival video games, I don't believe so.

Electronic tools are just accessibility, and some people just need to get with the times and stop treating cell phones as a bad thing.

"Easily" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. But even given that, I think that it is still a TTRPG even if you need (for example) an app to do the very weird RNG work this particular game does -- so long if with that app is involves sitting around a (potentially virtual) table pretending to be elves (or whatever) with (sort of) boundless choices before us.

Oh, I use DnD beyond all the time. And I really didn't want to imply they wouldn't be an RPG, I was meaning to focus on the tt part.

If the typical game needs a computer and computer screen to keep track of the status effects and ranges, and a tool to make and keep track of the characters, and .... it feels like it definitionally has stopped involving an actual table top. Presumably a video-game RPG isn't a ttRPG just because they could get a big monitor up on a table and play together sitting around looking at it?

 

[overgeeked]

Is there a point where a game needing electronic help to be easily played in its basic form makes it no longer really a ttRPG?

For me, if you have to have digital tools to play it’s an overly complex and crunchy game. That said, the “necessity” of the online tools for 4E is somewhat overblown.

 

[Reynard]

Oh, I use DnD beyond all the time. And I really didn't want to imply they wouldn't be an RPG, I was meaning to focus on the tt part.

If the typical game needs a computer and computer screen to keep track of the status effects and ranges, and a tool to make and keep track of the characters, and .... it feels like it definitionally has stopped involving an actual table top.

If I run or play Rime of the Frost Maiden using Fantasy Grounds, does it stop being a TTRPG experience?