D&D (2024) Playtest 8 Spell Discussion

[Maxperson]

When the cantor reads out a section for a congregation to hear, of course, it is loud.

When the cantor is preparing, the chant is quiet.

Also, when texts from the Tora and other sacred texts, like Ana B Koakh, are for personal meditation, the chanting is quiet.

That's why it's called a chant and not a reading. Chants are by definition loud or rarely normal voice. Never quiet. Quiet is called a whisper, not a chant. When the cantor is preparing, he is not chanting yet. He's simply reading the passage quietly.

 

[Yaarel]

That's why it's called a chant and not a reading. Chants are by definition loud or rarely normal voice. Never quiet. Quiet is called a whisper, not a chant. When the cantor is preparing, he is not chanting yet. He's simply reading the passage quietly.

Do I really need to look up the English word "chant" to show that the word "loud" is absent from it?

To chant can be personal meditation and quiet.

 

[Maxperson]

Do I really need to look up the English word "chant" to show that the word "loud" is absent from it?

To chant can be personal meditation and quiet.

Even if it's possible to chant quietly, you can't do it with spells. Spells require a specific pitch and resonance which would be violated by altering the loudness. That's why you can't cast one while gagged, even though you can make sound. Players can't just decide a spell is quiet because they want to get away with spellcasting.

 

[Yaarel]

Even if it's possible to chant quietly, you can't do it with spells. Spells require a specific pitch and resonance which would be violated by altering the loudness. That's why you can't cast one while gagged, even though you can make sound. Players can't just decide a spell is quiet because they want to get away with spellcasting.

Neither "pitch" nor "resonance" imply loud volume. Humming quietly generates resonance.

These are combat spells, with stealth capability in mind. Heh. Obviously, the Invisibility spell isnt screamed at the top of ones lungs.

 

[Maxperson]

Neither "pitch" nor "resonance" refer to loud volume. Humming quietly generates resonance.

These are combat spells, with stealth capability in mind. Heh. Obviously, the Invisibility spell isnt screamed at the top of ones lungs!

It requires a specific pitch and specific resonance both. But hey, if you let your players get away with whispering spells so that they can avoid having to play a sorcerer and wreck the entire purpose of subtle spell, go for it. It's not RAW, though. RAW spells are noticeable, which is why counterspell actually works.

 

[Yaarel]

That's why it's called a chant and not a reading.

For meditation, I mean "chant", musically intoned voicing. Quietly.

 

[fluffybunbunkittens]

Obviously, the Invisibility spell isnt screamed at the top of ones lungs!

I think that's making a leap. Why does it have a V component, if you can be quiet as a mouse?

It lasts an hour. Its use case is hardly once you're already behind someone looking for you.

 

[Yaarel]

It requires a specific pitch and specific resonance both. But hey, if you let your players get away with whispering spells so that they can avoid having to play a sorcerer and wreck the entire purpose of subtle spell, go for it. It's not RAW, though. RAW spells are noticeable, which is why counterspell actually works.

The "pitch" means a high or low voice. Not volume.


More importantly, every spellcaster is unique. Each caster determines ones own spell style.

This is why the playtest repurposes the Identify spell to understand an other casters spellbook. The voicing is similarly idiosyncratic.

 

[Yaarel]

I think that's making a leap. Why does it have a V component, if you can be quiet as a mouse?

It lasts an hour. Its use case is hardly once you're already behind someone looking for you.

Why does a spell description have a "V"?

Tradition.

It was there in 1e.

But what in means in 5e or even whether or not 5e should have it, is a different question.

 

[Maxperson]

The "pitch" means a high or low voice. Not volume.


More importantly, every spellcaster is unique. Each caster determines ones own spell style.

The existence of counterspell, automatically knowing if a spell is cast within 30 feet of you, and the existence of subtle spell say that you are wrong with this. Verbal and somatic are very noticeable without specific means to avoid like subtle spell and the aberrant mind sorcerer.

This is why the playtest repurposes the Identify spell to understand an other casters spellbook. The voicing is similarly idiosyncratic.

Yes it is, but not by volume. At least not by volume low enough to step on the toes of the sorcerer and counterspell like that.