D&D General Ravenloft: Monsters vs Darklords

[LuisCarlos17f]

We also could get some ideas from Kult: lost Divinity about the dark lords have got the "spark" of dead gods, and then the demiplane of the dread is a prison to avoid the reincarnation of those primal powers. The plan is the dark lords are too busy with their curses and torments they can't to stop to reclaim their potential divinity.

I would rather the characters in Ravenloft to be tempted instead to be forced to evil actions.

Other idea is a second "layer" of the demiplane of dread like the "core" of the 2nd Ed, without dark lords, tainted or affected by the dark powers, but not controlled really by these. And it would work like a "farm", to create a overpopulation could be "prey" of the supernatural monsters. This zone is a bigger zone, allowing space for different spaces, for example Zarovich is a noble house, but also a secret vampire clan. You could think this place could be a paradise for supernatural predators, but this is false, because here there are more monster-hunters.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I can certainly see you didn't read any of it. 3E Ravenloft is as far as the material ever goes in actually promoting that most of the inhabitants live pretty normal horror-free lives. 5E is where "its always horrific and people have no souls".

Ravenloft is a nightmare, and most of the inhabitants are characters in someone else's dream. That's why it's part of the Shadowfell, not part of the physical universe.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Ravenloft is a nightmare, and most of the inhabitants are characters in someone else's dream. That's why it's part of the Shadowfell, not part of the physical universe.

Prior to 4e (so the vast majority of material published for it), Ravenloft was in the Ethereal Plane, hence the term, "Demiplane of Dread". If anything, the Ethereal.is more physical than say the Outer Planes, as it is the connection between the Material Plane and the Inner Planes. For that matter, where does it say the Shadowfell isn't part of the physical universe? It's just another plane. Are all the shadar-kai who live there characters in someone else's dream? What about all the eladrin in the Feywild? That would apply equally to them. Your argument only makes sense in the context of VRG.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

For that matter, where does it say the Shadowfell isn't part of the physical universe?

The Physical Universe is the Prime Material Plane(s) ONLY. The other planes are governed by other laws. That's what makes them NOT a Prime Material Plane. That's why you can move by thinking about in the Astral, randomly turn into an animal in the Beastlands, everything is made of fire in the Plane of Fire, and so on.

 

[Micah Sweet]

The Physical Universe is the Prime Material Plane ONLY. The other planes are governed by other physical laws. That's what makes them NOT a Prime Material Plane. That's why you can move by thinking about in the Astral, randomly turn into an animal in the Beastlands, and so on.

Show me a citation anywhere that says only the Material Plane is part of the physical universe.

Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Show me a citation anywhere that says only the Material Plane is part of the physical universe.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Show me a citation where it it says any plane is part of the physical universe.

The physical universe is where physical laws apply, by definition. There are lots of examples of different laws, with regards to things like space, time, etc applying on other planes in the relevant chapter of the DMG.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Show me a citation where it it says any plane is part of the physical universe.

The physical universe is where physical laws apply, by definition. There are lots of examples of different laws, with regards to things like space, time, etc applying on other planes in the DMG.

Every plane has physical laws. Heck, show me any reference in D&D to a physical universe at all!

This is your personal theory, which happens to fit the narrative in VRG, possibly because you like that narrative. That does NOT make it so in any way beyond your person.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Every plane has physical laws. Heck, show me any reference in D&D to a physical universe at all!

This is your personal theory, which happens to fit the narrative in VRG, possibly because you like that narrative. That does NOT make it so in any way beyond your person.

Don't blame me, it's always been the case in D&D (well, since 1979 anyway), goes back to the stuff on the multiverse in the 1st edition AD&D DMG.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

"Ravenloft" is the DEMIPLANE of the dread, and the demiplanes can obey different laws from the rest of the plane.

And we are talking about a TTRPG, then the coherence about the canon can be sacrified easily in the name of the gameplay.

Maybe the dark powers aren't monolithic, and some dark power could help somebody, heroe or villain, only to annoy other of the dark powers.

If I wanted I could create the demiplane of the penance, like gothic horror, but allowing more space for hope thanks the true faith, the one what pushes us to be better people and help the rest.

Or I could write when somebody dies in Ravenloft some times this is reincarnated into an adult body of somebody without a true soul, and remembering both lifes. Let's imagine the surprise by the vampire when it is attacked by the baker because this remember to be before the lumberjack hunted years ago. Some manga is about somebody in a timeloop surviving hordes of monster to become stronger with the experience.

If Hasbro is thinking about future collabs in the same style "Magic: Universes beyond" we could see "crossovers" with "Evil Dead", the videogame "Dead by Light" or "Resident Evil Village", or something like the teleserie "From", or the movie and book "Scary stories to tell in the dark"

Even in Ravenloft there is space for a softer sytle, like the horror for children serie "Frankelda's book of spooks" or R.L.Stine Goosebumps.

 

[Bedrockgames]

If Hasbro is thinking about future collabs in the same style "Magic: Universes beyond" we could see "crossovers" with "Evil Dead", the videogame "Dead by Light" or "Resident Evil Village", or something like the teleserie "From", or the movie and book "Scary stories to tell in the dark"

Even in Ravenloft there is space for a softer sytle, like the horror for children serie "Frankelda's book of spooks" or R.L.Stine Goosebumps.

The thing about stuff like this is I believe most Ravenloft fans don't want that. It is true it is an amorphous and ever changing place. But using that in service to brand cross over with magic or a movie franchise isn't what I am looking for