D&D 5E Amazon US book sales rank.

[Stormonu]

Dumb math puts that at 567 D&D PHBs per 1 Pathfinder PHB, that's a staggering bit of difference. At a local Con of say 2K people playing D&D, that'd be one table of Pathfinder (with 4 players). There's also a small bit of split as there is also a bigger "2nd edition" version of the book being sold, but I don't see the numbers for it and I assume they are simply selling through stock on it.

I played Pathfinder 1.0, but did not migrate to PF 2 myself.

P.S.: Hilarious it's #9 in its own category.

 

[Justice and Rule]

Pathfinder Player Core is at 500+ and ranked 14362 at $49.

FYI I post this just as a comparison of sales of the equivalent player core book between the largest seller and the second on the sales rank. (As a big maybe) It says nothing about the quality of each game or book. Please keep that out of this thread! It also says nothing about the success level each company needs to be doing good. Leave that out of this thread! Please and thank you!

Also I think it’s entirely possible that pathfinder book sales follow a different model than wotcs. WotC is heavily weighted in core books, while Paizo may be heavily weighted in their adventure paths. It would be interesting if someone compared rank between the PF core and adventure paths. But I think that’s a much harder more subtle job than I want to do. Please keep that out of this thread. It’s easy to make new threads here if you want to talk about it elsewhere.

Hard to say. With Paizo, I think a lot of their sales come through their store, where you can simply subscribe and get both the physical and PDF copy on release.

Dumb math puts that at 567 D&D PHBs per 1 Pathfinder PHB, that's a staggering bit of difference. At a local Con of say 2K people playing D&D, that'd be one table of Pathfinder (with 4 players). There's also a small bit of split as there is also a bigger "2nd edition" version of the book being sold, but I don't see the numbers for it and I assume they are simply selling through stock on it.

I played Pathfinder 1.0, but did not migrate to PF 2 myself.

P.S.: Hilarious it's #9 in its own category.

Uh, not sure where you are getting that math from, since it's 5000+ for the PHB 1 versus 500+ for the PF Core. Closer to a 10 to 1 ratio, or maybe 20 to 1 if you took the absolute minimum for PF (500) and what I'd wager is the maximum before I'm guessing they switch numbers for the (9999, rounding it up to 10000).

Also it's only being "outsold" by some generic fantasy advice guides, largely because Amazon's categories aren't great.

I say "outsold" in quotes because at least one of those books is supposedly selling "250+" this month, so I'm not sure how often they compile the list or how often these are updated. It was already up a rank by the time I looked this up.

 

[Parmandur]

Dumb math puts that at 567 D&D PHBs per 1 Pathfinder PHB, that's a staggering bit of difference. At a local Con of say 2K people playing D&D, that'd be one table of Pathfinder (with 4 players). There's also a small bit of split as there is also a bigger "2nd edition" version of the book being sold, but I don't see the numbers for it and I assume they are simply selling through stock on it.

I played Pathfinder 1.0, but did not migrate to PF 2 myself.

P.S.: Hilarious it's #9 in its own category.

This is such a small slice of a weird complex pie, I wouldn't draw any conclusions in general: D&D has Beyond, Pathfinder has subs, both have FLGS, etc.

 

[Velderan]

This is such a small alice of a weird complex pie, I wouldn't draw any conclusions in general: D&D has Beyond, Pathfinder has subs, both have FLGS, etc.

I wonder how many people have been jumping on the DDB bundles. For the 2024 PHB, $50 on Amazon isn’t much of a savings compared to the $26 2014 PHB. Getting early access is probably more appealing, I know I like getting PF PDFs usually 2-3 weeks early from my subscriptions.

But agree completely we will likely never fully untangle the sales numbers until some future Ben Riggs book looks back on this era. There’s just too many ways TTRPG materials are sold these days.

 

[Parmandur]

I wonder how many people have been jumping on the DDB bundles. For the 2024 PHB, $50 on Amazon isn’t much of a savings compared to the $26 2014 PHB. Getting early access is probably more appealing, I know I like getting PF PDFs usually 2-3 weeks early from my subscriptions.

But agree completely we will likely never fully untangle the sales numbers until some future Ben Riggs book looks back on this era. There’s just too many ways TTRPG materials are sold these days.

On the other hand, I have more confidence financial records are being kept accurately by modern WirC, so we could concrmeivabky have an actually clear picture someday.

I think a lot of people are buying direct, actually. Enough to be significant.

 

[Velderan]

On the other hand, I have more confidence financial records are being kept accurately by modern WirC, so we could concrmeivabky have an actually clear picture someday.

Oh for sure, especially with them being part of a publicly traded company.

 

[EthanSental]

I did the bundle from Dndbeyond for the 2024 books. I still may pick up the FLGS covers to support the local stores but the one I used to frequent before work has me traveling is about an hour away. Might look into seeing if the will ship them to me.

 

[mamba]

Dumb math puts that at 567 D&D PHBs per 1 Pathfinder PHB, that's a staggering bit of difference

are you sure you divided the number of books and not the sales rank?

The PHB 2014 is at 5k+ in the last month and ranked 253

Pathfinder Player Core is at 500+ and ranked 14362

Hm, even that only gets me to 57 PHBs per PF book, so not sure what numbers you used

 

[Stormonu]

are you sure you divided the number of books and not the sales rank?



Hm, even that only gets me to 57 PHBs per PF book, so not sure what numbers you used

I did the rank, not the books - that's why I said it was dumb math

<edit> BTW, those GM books in the Pathfinder ranking ARE very good - got them for my wife and she uses them in her campaign all the time - I have a copy of a couple of them myself.

 

[Velderan]

I did the bundle from Dndbeyond for the 2024 books. I still may pick up the FLGS covers to support the local stores but the one I used to frequent before work has me traveling is about an hour away. Might look into seeing if the will ship them to me.

Have they given specifics on the FLGS versions yet? I have more or less kept out of the 2024 threads since on the rare occasion I check out a thread that sounds interesting, it ends up being the typical arguments with the usual suspects talking over each other.