D&D (2024) Warcaster Cheesy Fondue 2024

[pukunui]

@Stalker0 that’s the 2014 definition. The whole crux of the argument here is that they removed the word “hostile” from the 2024 OA definition.

It’s possible they removed the word by accident but it hasn’t been corrected on DDB yet (like some other errors have), which makes me think it was a deliberate change.

There are a bunch of small teamwork-oriented changes in the 2024 rules, and I think this is one of them.

EDIT: for your reference, this is the 2024 rules glossary version:

 

[Sulicius]

@Stalker0 that’s the 2014 definition. The whole crux of the argument here is that they removed the word “hostile” from the 2024 OA definition.

It’s possible they removed the word by accident but it hasn’t been corrected on DDB yet (like some other errors have), which makes me think it was a deliberate change.

There are a bunch of small teamwork-oriented changes in the 2024 rules, and I think this is one of them.

Doesn't look like it if you read the whole section on opportunity attacks.

 

[pukunui]

Doesn't look like it if you read the whole section on opportunity attacks.

I have. In fact, I added a screenshot to the post you just quoted.

 

[Sulicius]

I have. In fact, I added a screenshot to the post you just quoted.

The whole section.

 

[pukunui]

The whole section.

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Yep, I’ve read that part too. I still think it’s intentional.

Hopefully Jeremy will issue some sage advice about it before too long.

 

[Stalker0]

The whole section.

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I would have to agree with pukunui though, while this new defintion does give some mention to hostile creatures in its flavor description. The actual definition noted there for how to make an opportunity attack allows for any creature. Contrast to the old definition where it specifies said hostile creature in the rules text itself.

So It appears I was wrong, my apologies.

 

[Guest 7037866]

So It appears I was wrong, my apologies.

You aren't wrong, though. Under OA it still discusses enemies and foes. And the very language "provoking creature" signifies enemy, foe, or otherwise hostile. You do not make OA on allies or friendly creatures.

Removing hostile from the text could be for a couple of different reasons, certainly. Whatever the reason, using War Caster to buff allies who move past you is super-duper-Chuck-E-would-be-jealous-cheese. I, for one, am certain it was not the intention of the designers--and frankly if it was just reduces their credibility with me further.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

So if you fall past an ally, they still get to make an attack of opportunity?

This may fix something... the dramatic last minute 'catch' someone as they fall past you... but it not only uses your reaction but your op attack

 

[FrozenNorth]

I would have to agree with pukunui though, while this new defintion does give some mention to hostile creatures in its flavor description. The actual definition noted there for how to make an opportunity attack allows for any creature. Contrast to the old definition where it specifies said hostile creature in the rules text itself.

So It appears I was wrong, my apologies.

If you are applying “rules as written”, you have to apply “rules as written”. You can’t just claim that certain parts can be ignored just because they’re “flavour text”, particularly since “rules as written”, there’s no such thing as “flavour text”.

 

[ECMO3]

If you are applying “rules as written”, you have to apply “rules as written”. You can’t just claim that certain parts can be ignored just because they’re “flavour text”, particularly since “rules as written”, there’s no such thing as “flavour text”.

Sure but the flavor text does not say or imply you can't make attacks against allies, it just states that enemies put themselves in danger.

Allies don't put themselves in danger, instead the friendly warcaster can buff them ... or any ally shove them in the direction they are going to give a bit of extra movement. That doesn't mean there is no AOO against them, just that they are not in danger because of it.