D&D General Would you buy an AI-generated Castle Greyhawk "by" Gary Gygax?" Should you?

[tetrasodium]

yeah the first of the two with this is a GREAT example, the chief engineer of the ship has a problem he can't figure out so he has the computer make a 'chatgpt' version of the design head and they trouble shoot together.
It is JUST an interface, all the info had to be in the computer already... but by personifying it the engineer was able to come up with a solution.

now when personifying a computer program did it start to run into 'Barkly' and holo suit territory... yup and that is gross (on many levels) however this is pretty much what we are seeing the begining of. a computer you could just search for info on putting it as "what such and such would say" made generating his OWN idea easier useing all the info.

The computer isn't even real AI (they go out of there way to prove this with Data and Lore) it just does stuff and talks and is WAY closer to alexa running chatgpt on a super computer then it is to skynet.

back in the day me and my friends joked if you hooked a ferbie up to a bank of cray computer system and kept teaching it, you could almost have the enterprise computer... and still be 100 steps before data

I linked to that article on dr brahm because it also talks about the next time she appears and what trek didn't even consider spotlighting. That's pretty important because even without AI it has long been a thing where players will often bring up how they think some other GM would handle a situation. to the point that I was even able to link to a video talking about that behavior.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I linked to that article on dr brahm because it also talks about the next time she appears and what trek didn't even consider spotlighting. That's pretty important because even without AI it has long been a thing where players will often bring up how they think some other GM would handle a situation. to the point that I was even able to link to a video talking about that behavior.

I thought I included that part was squicky and way to close to the (worse) Barkly episode, or the assumed use of the holo suites...

No one said ever "these miss uses of tool x means no one should use tool x" and I am pretty sure we would all love to be able to walk into a holodeck and say "Recreate Gary Gygax, and have him run me through an adventure"

if we fell in love with and kissed Gary is a different problem.

 

[tetrasodium]

I thought I included that part was squicky and way to close to the (worse) Barkly episode, or the assumed use of the holo suites...

No one said ever "these miss uses of tool x means no one should use tool x" and I am pretty sure we would all love to be able to walk into a holodeck and say "Recreate Gary Gygax, and have him run me through an adventure"

if we fell in love with and kissed Gary is a different problem.

That's the trouble with bringing up star trek holodecks in talk of AI, but it doesn't make the not at all"squicky" d&d equivalent seen for decades simply go away
& there is no reason to think that the wotc ai wouldn't be monty haul power creep on loop to ensure the comparison.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

That's the trouble with bringing up star trek holodecks in talk of AI, but it doesn't make the not at all"squicky" d&d equivalent seen for decades simply go away

The 'squicky' is there... it's in those episodes and it's in many more (again any one using quirks made me even as a teen say "wait what WOULD you do in there"

But we have 'Suicky' with real live DMs... start a thread asking how many women DON'T have a story... although you may loose faith in humanity if you do.

None of this has ANYTHING to do with Large Language Models used for DMing... it may (i assume) have to do with the dumb 'create an AI lover' apps.

& there is no reason to think that the wotc ai wouldn't be monty haul power creep on loop to ensure the comparison.

Okay... so WotC might make a bad product... I agree (especially if they try in early years to rush something out) but what if they make a Goodish product? What about when (not if) these simulations of AI get better and better?

 

[tetrasodium]

The 'squicky' is there... it's in those episodes and it's in many more (again any one using quirks made me even as a teen say "wait what WOULD you do in there"

But we have 'Suicky' with real live DMs... start a thread asking how many women DON'T have a story... although you may loose faith in humanity if you do.

None of this has ANYTHING to do with Large Language Models used for DMing... it may (i assume) have to do with the dumb 'create an AI lover' apps.



Okay... so WotC might make a bad product... I agree (especially if they try in early years to rush something out) but what if they make a Goodish product? What about when (not if) these simulations of AI get better and better?

The first time I did it I simply linked to the "Jeff" video but you seem to have missed it entirely so I fully embedded it to make it more obvious. You are going out of your way to create a cloud of smoke out of an irrelevant detail to obscure what I was talking about with players comparing how a hypothetical ai would have done a thing differently from the way an actual gm did it.

The detail you are hyperfocused on is not the point

 

[GMforPowergamers]

The detail you are hyperfocused on is not the point

I didn't bring this up you did... if it doesn't matter to you we agree it doesn't matter.

As a tool to interact with a real life human can (in theory) get more work done better. By itself (at least for now) it's hit or miss on the best days.

 

[tetrasodium]

I didn't bring this up you did... if it doesn't matter to you we agree it doesn't matter.

As a tool to interact with a real life human can (in theory) get more work done better. By itself (at least for now) it's hit or miss on the best days.

Yes I brought it up to demonstrate that using AI to mimic a human has consequences and that in the case of a ttrpg with a subsystem in the dmg that was designed to let players feel like a mini gm within the GM's actual campaign that consequence is the "[Jeff] would have done it better" getting carried forward from a monty haul AI output.

 

[S'mon]

I would think the benefit of the AI is in the interactivity. An AI written book is at best a much worse version of work the author already created.

One thing I've noticed re RPGs though is that AI makes a terrible GM, but a pretty decent player! It's not capable of the originality to run a game, but it can 'play' a game and riff decently off the human GM. So an AI Gygax playing at your table would work. Even if most people probably would prefer an AI Felicia Day or Vin Diesel. I know there's a program out there with the likes of AI Donald Trump & Elon Musk playing D&D.

 

[Aurel Guthrie]

Would you buy an AI-generated

No. I would not buy an AI-generated anything.

 

[Vaalingrade]

What about when (not if) these simulations of AI get better and better?

Never, not if.

Look at the C-suites fleeing the actual AI companies as the walls of system collapse and legal realities rapidly close in.