Best Horror Movies of All Time

But Lovecraft got it wrong. Humans are very good at dealing with the knowledge that the universe is much bigger and stranger than they can imagine, and that their place in it is insignificant. They don’t go mad, they just compartmentalise the knowledge and get on with their lives.

Horror is all about the execution. What makes Lovecraft effective is his execution. I do think the existential horror he deals with is a real thing (there is a real dread to the idea that humans being insignificant and the cosmos being this vast thing that doesn't care about us). But I think people overemphasis his cosmic horror. A lot of his stories that are scary are about the atmosphere, things being slightly off, the way he breathes live into the landscape. The Festival for me is effective because he paints a picture of a quaint new england town that is harboring a dark secret, which is slowly revealed.
 

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Insanity often seems reasonable.

And he is using insanity for dramatic effect. People probably aren't going crazy in real life for being overwhelmed by realization of the cosmos. But it is a poetic idea. And his depiction of insanity itself is scary and compelling
 

But Lovecraft got it wrong. Humans are very good at dealing with the knowledge that the universe is much bigger and stranger than they can imagine, and that their place in it is insignificant. They don’t go mad, they just compartmentalise the knowledge and get on with their lives.
Or they invent existentialism.

Edit: I see Lovecraft's horror as essentially an existentialist crisis. Here's this obsessively prudish, WASPy kid brought up to believe the universe must be a certain way, with a certain kind of people at its centre, and then he encounters a reality that is just...not like that. That is indifferent to how he thinks things should be. And this manifests in his overwhelming racism, misogyny, and so on, as well as feeding his fiction that is rooted in a dread of otherness and uncleaness.
 
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I agree a lot about Lovecraft and existential crises. I find it interesting that the best horror movies in a Lovecraftian mode are all original stories that don’t invoke Lovecraft at all - The Thing, Event Horizon, Yellowbrickroad, Underwater, and like that. There’s something about trying to work with actual HPL stories that rots a lot of brains. (Not all of them. The German version The Colour Out of Space was very good.) In oractice, such movies seem to generally up trying more to be Stuart Gordon/Brian Yuzna movies.
 

Worst for me I think is Combat Shock, from Troma. Terrible dialogue and acting? You know it. Vietnam flashback scenes shot in the Staten Island swamps with virtually no props, not even a rifle? Check. Papier-mache mutated baby puppet? Check. Absolutely interminable ten minute scene of two junkies arguing under a bridge? Check.
Troma films do not compare to the anti-saga of The Creeping Terror.

The acting was subpar, even compared to its B-movie sci-fi/horror competitors. Props were sparse. But there’s more.

The footage of the alien craft landing was actually film of an American rocket launch run in reverse. You can tell because you can see the flames of the thruster disappearing into the base of the rocket’s cylindrical body… with “USA” clearly visible in the side…the flipped “S” being a dead giveaway.

The monster itself strongly resembled a bunch of guys under a big oriental rug. It moved more slowly than my mother using her rollator. It ate people via an opening near the base of its front. Many of its victims had to assist the monster to ingest them.

It’s victims also were very clumsy and had a tendency to ignore OBVIOUS alternative routes of escape.

If that were the extent of its badness, I might accept other challengers to its crown of awfulness. But there’s more.

It was so patently bad that the film was shelved after studio execs saw the final cut. But a few years later, another executive overruled that decision, and ordered it released so the studio could at least recoup some of the money they spent on it.

However, it had been poorly stored, and its condition had degraded. Certain sections of the audio were either garbled or inaudible. So the studio decided to use narrator overdubs.

Problem was, they no longer had the script to work from. So they simply made up stuff that could conceivably match the action on-screen. The quality of said writing ex nihilo was on par with the narration found in “hygiene”/sex-ed films of the era, both in delivery and content. Seriously. At one point, one character is sitting alone on a couch opining about the change in his relationship with his newly married buddy after the newlyweds wandered off screen for a moment.

Final cherry on top? The alien ship taking off from earth was the same cell-flipped footage as the opening, run in the correct chronological sequence.

THAT is what they released to the theaters.
But Lovecraft got it wrong. Humans are very good at dealing with the knowledge that the universe is much bigger and stranger than they can imagine, and that their place in it is insignificant. They don’t go mad, they just compartmentalise the knowledge and get on with their lives.
Welllllll…SOME people do. Others, not so much.
 


And this manifests in his overwhelming racism, misogyny, and so on
How come everyone calls Lovecraft out on this but nobody calls out Bram Stoker or Edgar Allen Poe? Bram Stoker was much worse than Lovecraft in this regard. Has anyone else here ever read Lair of the White Worm? There's a man eating shapeshifter and an insane nobleman who's experimenting with mind control but the book treats these as secondary issues to the fact that there's +DUN DUN DUN+ a black guy. OoOoOoOo Scaaary🙄

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Do we have a better eyeroll emoji?
 
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How come everyone calls Lovecraft out on this but nobody calls out Bram Stoker or Edgar Allen Poe?
You’ve just missed the discussions regarding them…at least those here on ENWorld. Both frequently get IDed for their racism and how it manifested in their lives and works.
 

How come everyone calls Lovecraft out on this but nobody calls out Bram Stoker or Edgar Allen Poe?
A) They do.

B) Lovecraft is a lot more influential to TTRPGS specifically, and thus likely to be discussed on this forum (c.f. the miniatures I just painted and posted pictures of over on the "Fighting the Grey Tide" thread).

C) Perhaps it wasn't your intent, but your post seems like an attempt to minimize Lovecraft's racism and misogyny, which are extremely pertinent to his work and thus relevant to the discussion.
 

I agree a lot about Lovecraft and existential crises. I find it interesting that the best horror movies in a Lovecraftian mode are all original stories that don’t invoke Lovecraft at all - The Thing, Event Horizon, Yellowbrickroad, Underwater, and like that. There’s something about trying to work with actual HPL stories that rots a lot of brains. (Not all of them. The German version The Colour Out of Space was very good.) In oractice, such movies seem to generally up trying more to be Stuart Gordon/Brian Yuzna movies.

I think that cosmic horror is probably the hardest genre to pull off in a movie.

Some movies kind of touch on it (Sunshine almost hits on it, before devolving in the final act). Event Horizon does it, and so does Annihilation. But the problem is that cosmic horror necessarily invoked the truly incomprehensible, which is easier on the page than on the screen.

That's why it is difficult and can be unsatisfying to some. I mean, I loved Annihilation because it really grooved on the cosmic horror, but I also know that others (like @Deset Gled in this thread) just don't enjoy it that much, because it fails as a "regular" horror movie.
 

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