D&D General Dark Sun as a Hopepunk Setting

[Belen]

Absolutely. You just have to accept the vast majority of civilization over the vast majority of human history were evil (or at least accepting of evil with little to no pushback). It is what it is, but it also doesn't invalidate anything else about those cultures.

Agreed.

The vast majority of human history and civilization was evil. I am sure that the people did not think they were evil or accepting of it. To be fair, the vast majority of humanity never achieved their human potential because their societies and technology never allowed them too.

This is still the case now in many regions. The road is still long and we can only hope that the path continues towards the light.

It is one reason why I always oppose the luddites etc. I think it will increase evil by taking away human opportunity.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

I have a player who insists that eating dragons should be a culinary high point. In his own game, dragon steaks are served at the major expensive meals and when he fought a dragon in my game, he always got out the butchers knife. Personally, I think the eating of sentient beings is cannibalism regardless of body type and composition. He eventually stopped doing it in my game, but it really highlights what people consider ethical consumption would be very different in a fantasy world.

In my campaign the PCs consider the dragons a great delicacy too. They also might have accidentally eaten some human flesh as they looted some jerky from the lizardfolk.

I just don’t see it as a big deal and it’s wild to me that some people seem to put it in same category than slavery. Cannibalism is icky, but it is the killing part that might be immoral. What is considered appropriate way to dispose of the body is cultural.

 

[Sorcerers Apprentice]

I suspect future civilizations will consider us to be irredeemably evil for accepting and condoning keeping animals in farms and killing them for their meat and other products.

 

[Mind of tempest]

I doubt we will profit more from real-world horror discussions

how is this unofficial darksun to be implemented as that might get us some where

 

[Belen]

There was a -lot- of resentment and posturing for the white kids to feel "Better" about themselves in the 80s and 90s rather than "Getting Blamed" for things that happened a hundred years ago (like our parents and teachers didn't grow up in the Civil Rights era).

No child should be blamed for the errors of previous generations.

I am sorry you had that experience. I never even heard about the states rights arguments until college. we were only taught that the Civil War was about the protection of slavery and that the US fought the war to end it.

Of course, that was not the entire reason and there is nuance to history. I can even understand poor folks who wanted to defend their homes and neighbors. The south was also an economic wasteland for the next century or so and that caused its own resentment.

That said, the confederates still fought to defend evil no matter the lies they used to justify it and/or perpetuate evil after they lost.

 

[Steampunkette]

I suspect future civilizations will consider us to be irredeemably evil for accepting and condoning keeping animals in farms and killing them for their meat and other products.

And a generation after that will call us barbarians for the slaughter and consumption of plants specifically bred for higher yields, too.

... Wait... we might both be off and that's this generation and next generation, respectively.

Plants Really Do 'Scream'. We've Simply Never Heard Them Until Now.

It seems like Roald Dahl may have been onto something after all: if you hurt a plant, it screams.

www.sciencealert.com

Plants can literally communicate with other plants in the area, and insects. Warning them of danger. That's -so- messed up.

 

[Steampunkette]

No child should be blamed for the errors of previous generations.

I am sorry you had that experience. I never even heard about the states rights arguments until college. we were only taught that the Civil War was about the protection of slavery and that the US fought the war to end it.

Of course, that was not the entire reason and there is nuance to history. I can even understand poor folks who wanted to defend their homes and neighbors. The south was also an economic wasteland for the next century or so and that caused its own resentment.

That said, the confederates still fought to defend evil no matter the lies they used to justify it and/or perpetuate evil after they lost.

I put blamed in quotation marks because it was another lie. And one used to justify the bigger lie.

No one blamed me as a child for the stuff my ancestors did. They taught me about it, talked to me about it, stuff like that. But at no point did I go "It's not my fault!" and cry my little eyes out.

No one ever blames kids for the stuff their long-dead ancestors did. But for hypersensitive racists who are trying to pretend they're not racist, even acknowledging that evil happened means you're "Blaming" the people in the modern day for what happened years ago.

It's just a way to center the lived experiences of people whose ancestors weren't slaves instead of the lived experiences of people whose ancestors were slaves.

In short, any time any black person talked about the legacy of racism throughout history and how it impacted their lives and shaped the society around them, racists would get offended at being 'blamed for what their ancestors did' in order to shut down the conversation by making it about themselves.

 

[AnotherGuy]

I'm guessing we have time still (animals and plants)...we first have to find a way to stop treating each other as killable NPCs

 

[Belen]

I'm guessing we have time still (animals and plants)...we first have to find a way to stop treating each other as killable NPCs

Sadly, I am not sure that will happen until we get to a post-scarcity existence and even then...

 

[Mind of tempest]

I'm guessing we have time still (animals and plants)...we first have to find a way to stop treating each other as killable NPCs

can't really blame people for eating the only presently viable options seeking for us to at least the rest of humanity well seems more practical.

but regardless should we not be talking about how this dark sun is to be made?